Why a liner on only one side of Military?

[shootist16]

O.K. before I offend any Military Men out there, let me say that I am just trying to eductae myself. I am not trying to offend anyone. I know how touchy some of you Military types can be (just kidding

) Why is there a liner on only one side? Is it to keep production costs down? If so, I would pay a little more for a more secure knife. Does only one liner weaken the knife? Does the G-10 on the unlined side not flex? Would this not give the knife a propensity to come unlocked if "white-knuckled"? I dont know that is why I am asking. I am considering one but would like to find out first.

 

[Kodiak PA]

Shootist16,
The Military has dual liners. The other is nested in the scales.

No offense taken, BTW.

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~Greg~

 

[Samurai6]

The Military has dual liners? Is that true? I looked at what I thought was a new Military a couple of weeks ago, and it looked like it had a single liner with the lock now being a liner-lock rather than a leaf-lock as it was on the old ones. I didn't see any liner on the opposite side, just the G-10 slab.

Logically, full dual metal liners do make a knife handle stronger. They make it heavier too. The Mil is a pretty big package. It does ride very lightly in the pocket for its size.

Harv

 

[Brian Lavin]

Steve is right, only one side has a liner and it is nested into the G10. I personally don't think this will be a problem; I currently have a plain edge version and traded a serrated model that both exhibited extremely solid lock-up of the liner lock. Due to the way the tang is machined, the liner will take years to wear it down enough to make it questionable. I know how you feel about liner locks, Steve, and in many cases I would agree with you. But the Military seems to be "above" that sort of problem. My .02
But to respond to the original question, I think there is only one liner to save weight, not production cost. I believe if you look back thru the Military threads (I know, there's ALOT of them) you'll run acros Sal explaining his design parameters.

[This message has been edited by Brian Lavin (edited 06 April 1999).]

 

[Sal Glesser]

The G10 is stiffer than the streel liner. Adding a liner does not add stiffness unless the liner is nested and cannot move. A non nested liner relies on only the pins for strength and rigidity. A nested liner relies on the form of the liner not being able to "go anywhere" because it is trapped in the pocket. The Military has only one nested liner. I believe if you run "Break" tests on the Military handle against other brands, you will find that the overall strength of Spyderco's G10 (15% stronger because of the extra compressed layers) and nested liner will compare favorably against ALL others.
sal

 

[Kodiak PA]

Sorry about my misinformation, I must have misread previous posts regarding the same question. I thought when I previously read Sal's report of the nested liner, it was in addition to the liner side.
Sorry

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~Greg~

 

[David Rock]

Sal: Thanks for the clarification. I think I'm beginning to understand. It wasn't my question, but I learned just the same.

David Rock

 

[Bladeandbarrel]

Actually Sal, based on recently inspecting several different brands of g10 knives, you are not the only manufacturer using the tight weave g10. While your g10 is noticeably
tighter than benchmade and Emerson's, The g10 on EDI's Genesis looks like exactly the same weave as yours.

 

[Outlaw_Dogboy]

Hmmmm...based on Sal's explanation, I think I see why the Military presents itself as such a beefy knife, and reliable liner-lock. Assuming the knife doesn't need the metal liner (in fact, is better without them if the G-10 is stiffer in a given thickness), then the Military should be very stiff indeed, assuming the handle area is absurdly thin. If it is just as thick in total as the handle on my 710, then it should be quite a bit stiffer, since it doesn't have the less stiff <duh> metal that my 710 has. Hmmm...almost persuade me to buy a liner lock, but just CAN"T trust them....

O_D

 

[Samurai6]

O_D,

You don't have to buy a liner-lock, just remove one of the stainless steel liners from your 710 to make it stronger.

Harv

 

[Outlaw_Dogboy]

 

[bald1]

Greg,

Don't feel bad as I'm now confused as well.

My understanding is that the Spydie Military has the locking liner on one scale side and a nested liner (which is hidden from view) as an integral part of the other G10 scale. That is consistant with Sal stating above that the Military has only one nested liner. What is missing is a statement that the liner wehich locks is NOT considered to be a nested liner too. I could have sworn that this was made clear on the Spydie forum but.....

Sal, am I all wet here? Please help alleviate the continuing confusion. Thanks!



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-=[Bob]=-

I did NOT escape from the institution! They gave me a day pass!

 

[Samurai6]

The latest Military I have seen had a "nested" liner on the lock side, out of which the lock was cut. There was no metal liner of any kind that I could see on the other side.

 

[Kodiak PA]

Bob,
That's how I read it too back in the Spydie forum. I searched for it but couldn't find it....but it's nice to learn. Thanks for posting.

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~Greg~

 

[David Rock]

There is nothing so confusing that a little explanation can't make it worse.

Believe me: I teach for a living.

David Rock