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Why are all the mid-tech knives I see framelocks?

Blade-fiend said:
Look at the EDC series for William Henry they come with just a wood, silver twill, or carbonfiber inlay, no jewels. There is also the CRK Ti-lock it has a totally different style of lock.
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Oh wow, I forgot about the Ti-lock, now that is something I am intersted in, thank you for the suggestion.
 
I've had a few CRKs and I found them unremarkable. They are nice knives with excellent fit and finish, but not for me. To each his own I suppose. I don't think that is in any way trolling...
 
I don't like the idea of closing a framelock or linerlock one handed. Especially if said knife has a light detent and very smooth action, having your thumb in the path of the blade while depressing the linerlock and pushing against the spine makes an accident waiting to happen. I don't care about your technique or how irrational that sounds. I have nearly lost fingers before and don't intend on doing so again. That is why I only own one linerlocking knive now and no framelocks.
 
Don't have any functional problems with frame locks or liner locks. I can understand how someone might be able to cut themselves closing one but I chalk that up to carelessness.
 
zl1 said:
Don't have any functional problems with frame locks or liner locks. I can understand how someone might be able to cut themselves closing one but I chalk that up to carelessness.
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I agree that carelessness the prime factor, but certain knives need more care than others.

I had a Microtech Socom Elite that was much more prone to closing on my fingers than my other knives. Two reasons why this was so. First the bearings made the knife wicked fast and smooth. Second, the weight distribution felt about 70% blade and 30% handle. Pair up a heavy blade that will glide around a pivot with ease and that makes a recipe for sliced fingers. Luckily i only nicked my thumbnail a couple of times.
 
Well that escalated quickly

I suggest taking another look at the William Henry's. The E10 series is very elegant/classy but not at all over the top "with jewels" or anything. They are also time tested materials (Al and D2), a button lock and incredibly thin and light. The 3.25" knife weights 1.2oz. The series has several different inserts in the black Al handle, carbon fiber/silver twill, mother of Pearl, wood and I believe ivory (but maybe not now, idk what happened with the ban). Worth more than a shrugging off cause the first one you saw on google "had jewels".
 
Just because somebody doesn't love CRK does NOT mean they are trolling. Last I checked, variety exists in the market for exactly that reason- everybody doesn't like one type of knife. I find CRK bland, and it is my right to think that. I wouldn't say the knives suck, but it is fair to say that the perceived value isn't there for all people. If I am paying a high price, I want it to be because the materials are top of the line, not the same thing I can find on a $100 knife.

Back on topic, I thought mid tech was the "best of both worlds", with the knives being roughed out by machine (blanks cut, parts made) and being meticulously finished by hand. I could be wrong and would urge somebody to correct me if I am. While knives made by Hinderer or CRK are similar quality to mid tech, I thought they were just excellent production knives (again, correct me if I am wrong).
 
Razdrazchelloveck said:
Sorry, I didn't realize it was a unanimous decision that one must concede their knife preferences when discussing CRKs.
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I really don't want to be harsh but do you realize how idiotic your anti-CRK remark sounded?

"I just find that I can get the same fit and finish with better steel by purchasing a Taiwan made Spyderco. Then again, I have never held one"

You have absolutely no right to say anything other than you like or dislike the look of his knives if you have never even held one before. How can you say that you feel that you would get better fit and finish from a Taiwan made Spyderco if you have never handled a CRK? I don't think you realize how ludicrous that makes you sound. Go and handle one and I guarantee you that you will look back at your comment and say "I was wrong".

dkb45 said:
Just because somebody doesn't love CRK does NOT mean they are trolling.
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It does when they make such a ridiculous statement claiming they feel a Taiwanese made $100.00 knife has better fit and finish than the knives from a pioneer with legendary and highly respected prestige throughout the world.

dkb45 said:
I find CRK bland, and it is my right to think that.
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I will say it again, it is only one's right to think that if they have actually handled one before, because if you haven't handled one before you are simply making blanket statements with no structural base or evidence to back them up. Philosophically speaking it is only your right to think and say that you either like the LOOK of CRK knives or you don't if you have never handled one before.

dkb45 said:
If I am paying a high price, I want it to be because the materials are top of the line, not the same thing I can find on a $100 knife.
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This is where most people go wrong. Sure, there are other knives out there with fancier steel and overall more appealing. However, when you buy a CRK knife you are not just buying it for materials, you are buying for top of the line quality and workmanship. Go watch some videos of how Chris Reeve makes his knives and you may understand why the hefty price tag. Even though the knives are technically productions now they put all the attention to detail in every single knife as if they were building a custom knife. I've owned some very high end handmade custom folders that had the same level of fit and finish as my Sebenzas.

My point is if you can't afford or don't want one, no shame in that. However if you have never actually physically handled one don't go out and bash them.
 
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Here are 3 Axis locks, 1 compression lock, 3 lockbacks , and a button lock. The AFCK and the 710 are M390 steel. The Endura and W/H B-15 are ZDP-189. The Szabo is S-30-V. The Boye is Dendritic Cobalt (Stellite 6-B). The 943 is stainless Damascus. The Boker is a secret Solingen SS alloy.View attachment 415269
 
Midtech is a cnc machine made knife made by a machinist not a knifemaker.
 
Metal Made Fox said:
I really don't want to be harsh but do you realize how idiotic your anti-CRK remark sounded?

"I just find that I can get the same fit and finish with better steel by purchasing a Taiwan made Spyderco. Then again, I have never held one"

You have absolutely no right to say anything other than you like or dislike the look of his knives if you have never even held one before. How can you say that you feel that you would get better fit and finish from a Taiwan made Spyderco if you have never handled a CRK? I don't think you realize how ludicrous that makes you sound. Go and handle one and I guarantee you that you will look back at your comment and say "I was wrong".



It does when they make such a ridiculous statement claiming they feel a Taiwanese made $100.00 knife has better fit and finish than the knives from a pioneer with legendary and highly respected prestige throughout the world.



I will say it again, it is only one's right to think that if they have actually handled one before, because if you haven't handled one before you are simply making blanket statements with no structural base or evidence to back them up. Philosophically speaking it is only your right to think and say that you either like the LOOK of CRK knives or you don't if you have never handled one before.



This is where most people go wrong. Sure, there are other knives out there with fancier steel and overall more appealing. However, when you buy a CRK knife you are not just buying it for materials, you are buying for top of the line quality and workmanship. Go watch some videos of how Chris Reeve makes his knives and you may understand why the hefty price tag. Even though the knives are technically productions now they put all the attention to detail in every single knife as if they were building a custom knife. I've owned some very high end handmade custom folders that had the same level of fit and finish as my Sebenzas.

My point is if you can't afford or don't want one, no shame in that. However if you have never actually physically handled one don't go out and bash them.
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I have had a few Taiwanese Spyderco knives that were flawless in every aspect. Granted, they aren't all flawless, but of the dozen or so I have owned, at least 4 of them were flawless. The others had very minor issues like slightly off centering. None had major issues. Considering that they were all around $100-$150, I could definitely say that they could compete with a CRK.

I have also handled a few different Sebenzas, and they weren't that impressive. The big issue was that they didn't have very good action, but that could he because they were most likely in storage for some time (didn't see the date cards). For them being around $300, I was definitely unimpressed.

Don't get me wrong, though. If you want to buy the knives, go ahead. Some people can appreciate the fine and unnoticed details, some can't. I like my knives to have killer bang for the buck, and to me CRK just doesn't have that. I will take a slightly wonky lock (not unsafe, just something minor like stick) or imperfect blade centering if it means I get a fully functional and safe knife with better materials for a lower price. Also, S30V and S35VN are icky.
 
AddictedToGear said:
Well Microtech, CRK, and Strider are production knives, high end production and not midtechs. A midtech is like a custom maker who is having one of his designs sent out and cut out with water jet or CNC and have most of the frames done and then he does the fit and finish and usually grinds most of the blades. There are different definitions but the 3 companies I listed are not considered midtechs. One example that is popular right now and I can not wait to get is the Jake Hoback Kwaiback midtechs.
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Yes. Thank you.
 
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