why are most mid-techs/"high-end" knives flippers?

My Southard AVO is a flipper; the flipper itself is "transparent." It just works, but you never really know it's there. It's easy to operate, operates VERY smoothly, is solid-opening lockup. What's NOT to like? I used Sebbies and Spydies before I got the AVO. I was a bit worried that I wouldn't like the flipper. Boy, was I WRONG!

That's because you are a nose picking, immature, impatient, OCD having, TV obsessed boy according to the other posters in this thread. I'm sure they said all that with all due respect, so none of it is insulting to the members who like flippers
 
True! When will the knife industry finally stop making just stuff that sells!?!

I know, right?!? Even more so, when will people stop getting butt-hurt over others voicing their thoughts/opinions/observations on the industry's design direction of inanimate objects?!?
 
I never really liked flippers until I acquired a ZT 0801.That was the first flipper I owned that truly outstanding in the flipping department.The industry has noticed that people enjoy flippers , so they will continue down the current path until supply is more than demand and will move on to other innovations at that point.The industry(makers) and some consumers seems to always disagree on the definition of what the proper detent strength should be on some of the flipper models on the market.It seems that knives designed to be deployed only as a flipper seem to have the proper detent strength in general.Knives marketed as flippers, but are designed to be opened by thumb studs and by flipping seem to be the models that have the most subjective detent issues.The detent strength issue seems to be the lightning strike issue with most flippers from my observations.We will continue to see more high end and mid-tech flippers until those models no longer sell well.Right now they seem to be very, very popular.
 
That's because you are a nose picking, immature, impatient, OCD having, TV obsessed boy according to the other posters in this thread. I'm sure they said all that with all due respect, so none of it is insulting to the members who like flippers

I like you, but being ironically butt-hurt over other people being butt-hurt is even more pathetic than the original butt-hurt.

Most high end knives are flippers nowadays because they are in style. It's no surprise that they're in style, either. They're easier to reach than a thumbstud when drawing a closed knife carried tip-down. When tuned well, a flipper tab's flipper is practically like the switch on an auto.
 
I hate flippers. That annoying trigger sticking out just bugs me. I'll take thumb holes and thumb studs any day.
 
I dont see marcinek as being butthurt. I think he just loves to point out when others are acting irrationaly through humor. In fact i cant recall marcinek every taking something terribly seriously. And i dont mean that in a bad way. Snide, snarky maybe even rude on rare occasions. But seriously butthurt? Nope.
 
I dont see marcinek as being butthurt. I think he just loves to point out when others are acting irrationaly through humor. In fact i cant recall marcinek every taking something terribly seriously. And i dont mean that in a bad way. Snide, snarky maybe even rude on rare occasions. But seriously butthurt? Nope.

Flippers are pretty cool...
 
I know, right?!? Even more so, when will people stop getting butt-hurt over others voicing their thoughts/opinions/observations on the industry's design direction of inanimate objects?!?

Probably around when people stop being butt hurt when the knife industry makes what's popular instead of what they want.
 
I like you, but being ironically butt-hurt over other people being butt-hurt is even more pathetic than the original butt-hurt.

No ironic butt hurt at all, just was restating what others had already said about flippers and the members who like them!

Sheesh! Can't agree with people OR disagree with people, seems like!
 
I hate olives and anchovies. When I go to a buffet I don't expect them to remove the olives and anchovies cause I don't care for them. I put the food on my plate that I like.

Flippers are cool, and have a place for knife enthusiast. IMHO.
 
I hate olives and anchovies. When I go to a buffet I don't expect them to remove the olives and anchovies cause I don't care for them. I put the food on my plate that I like.

Flippers are cool, and have a place for knife enthusiast. IMHO.

hahaha! This. +1000
 
Well said!......I love em all, flippers, thumb studs, spider holes, there all good. I really used to dislike the emmerson wave until I tried it. Now if I have a choice with or without the wave I'll always opt for it.

Mike

Its funny. I prefer flippers. Especially on bearings. But I dont recall me berating those who prefer traditional opening methods on their preferences. I just figured it was ok to like what you like without having to justify it by putting the other side down just because I dont get it. To each their own.
 
Nothing that hasn't already been said, but I find flippers useful since I don't ever have both hands free unless I'm sitting down. Of course, thumb studs and thumb openings provide the same ease of one-hand opening in a different way, and I like them too. But the flipper can, at times, be more aesthetically appealing on certain knives, vs. the studs. You have one "trigger" type mechanism sticking a bit out the back instead of two studs on the sides of the blade.

And a lot of the flippers are flush with the handle once the blade is deployed, creating a very smooth, perhaps even minimalist look that I like.

Some of my favorite knives are flippers.
Some of my favorite knives are thumb stud openers.
Some of my favorite knives are thumb hole openers.
Some of my favorite knives are two-handed openers.
Some of my favorite knives are fixed blades.
I like knives.
 
I like well executed flippers and the design and engineering it takes to make one. There's a lot that goes into the design of a flipper and not many people do it well. Pivot and flipper angles and geometry, along with detent all have work perfectly to channel flipping force and energy efficiency. You can easily test flipper design with lightswitch method and push down method. One method may work and the other may not or even both. Therein lies the engineering/design's success or failure. I'm going to catch a lot of heat with this one, but many of the production or even midtech knives that offer a flipper doesn't flip well at all. Example: Himderer: We all know about Hinderer and the horrible flipping action it has. It was like the flipper was added as an afterthought to capitalize on the flipper popularity. ZT's - while better executed than most and do flip open, just not efficiently. I have a ZT0560 and while the knife blade design is spot on, the flipper action is just OK. Opens by flipping, yes, but opens with a whimper. It needs an added wrist flick along with the flip to open tight a and strong. Olamic Cutlery is another one that looks like they got everything right with the pivot easy and smooth. But flipping action is terrible, feels like its holding itself back and opens with a whimper. If these were the only examples I had of flippers, I wouldn't be impressed or like flippers either. HOWEVER,...

The GOOD: Ferrum Forge- These guys at Ferrum Forge make a really well designed knife with an even better flipper. The pivot is smooth, the flipper angles relative to the pivot and detent is perfect, resultantly flipping out like a rocket with no effort at all. Opens perfectly with authority with both lightwitch and push down. BROUS- has has one of the best flipping action I've ever seen and is a thing of beauty. CURTISS- the F3 has one of the best and most efficient flipper action on the market. I think it comes down to the tolerances in which the knife is built.

It may come down to your preference, but a well executed flipper is a thing of beauty, to me anyway.
YMMV.
 
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