Why are racist, religious, bigot, and intolerant posts only worth an infraction?

[The Aflac Duck]

Do mods allow people to openly express their hateful beliefs as long as they keep it to themselves after they have been infracted?

 

[benchwarmer380]

(edited the first bit a touch because I somehow read the OP slightly wrong derp)

They were reprimanded. If they hold on to their beliefs well then they have to live with that. If they post further crap like that I'm sure the mods will take necessary action.



People with such beliefs don't realize that the hate and intolerance that they spew does much more to perpetuate any sort of moral/societal decline than a person just being the person they were born to be and loving those they were meant to.

Now to ban at the first sign moral midgetry would just throw them back out there with the same closed world view that they already have. I like to think that with time, some of the good people here could help open them up a little to see that all people from every walk of life has something positive and beautiful to offer and to not judge by preconceived notions. Maybe that is just hyperbolic wishful thinking.

If that crap persists, can them.

 

[stonproject]

Excellent question.

 

[craytab]

They were reprimanded. If they hold on to their beliefs well then they have to live with that. If they post further crap like that I'm sure the mods will take necessary action.

After the infraction he posted another 30 or so times on the subject explaining we he believes such things. He is using BFC to spread hate.

 

[knarfeng]

Did you report those posts in fresh threads?

edited to add:
Has to be in a fresh thread. I closed the original disaster thread, then infracted what I considered to be the worst of his posts. So any posts he made in that thread were made before the infraction.

 

[craytab]

Did you report those posts in fresh threads?

edited to add:
Has to be in a fresh thread. I closed the original disaster thread, then infracted what I considered to be the worst of his posts. So any posts he made in that thread were made before the infraction.

I'm reporting them now. I don't report drama posts anymore after being chastised for doing so. It is understandable. There are more important things to do than clean up after garbage.

There are many more in those threads. It is worth attention.

 

[benchwarmer380]

After the infraction he posted another 30 or so times on the subject explaining we he believes such things. He is using BFC to spread hate.

That would be the opposite of keeping it to oneself.

 

[knarfeng]

My views on the reported post would rightly be considered tainted by having made the original call.
Someone else can figure it out and infract as necessary.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

The two questions I asked in the OP have not been answered. I'm not understanding why such content is only worth an infraction.

Another member said it perfectly (especially the bolded segment):

"This is a community, mostly virtual, but also with real world interactions among members. You guys (Spark and his moderators) have the ability to determine who gets to be part of the community. We don't always have the luxury of deciding with whom we want to be associated in all aspects of our lives. I do have the ability to determine who my friends are, who will be a guest in my home, who will work for me, etc. I see your ability to make these decisions in the same vein. This particular person has shown himself to be a racist, a homophobe, and a troll. I would like to know why y'all would permit a person like that to continue to be a guest in your virtual home? Telling someone you know to be an ugly bigot that he's welcome, as long as he keeps his bigotry to himself, does not reflect well on the standards of BFC."

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Moderators have two kinds of action available. Warnings and infractions. Some infractions never expire. We don't need to over-react. If the person is really that bad, they'll do it again.

Of course, if someone offends you, you can offend them in return, and the insults escalate. If they express vulgarity or bigotry, you can report them or respond to them.

We have seen these responses escalate, each feeding the other's anger. During this holiday season, the end of the year, moderators have family, celebrations, and personal reflections to see to.

We have other tools to deal with this. We can close threads or move them to quarantine -- the dumbass thread. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

 

[KELAMA]

During this holiday season, the end of the year, moderators have family, celebrations, and personal reflections to see to.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

^ And therein lies the hypocrisy, Esav.

FWIW: as I sat back and observed that thread unfold; I couldn't help but fully appreciate, just how much alike this person actually is to some of these other trolls whom run rampant on this forum.

If one were to waste their valuable time, and read some of the moronic, hateful, vile, immature crap, these supposedly grown men are constantly spewing in their demented sub-forum, he really isn't a whole lot different, from many of them...

it's just a different type of hate.

 

[KELAMA]

It just occurred to me; the one word that comes to mind when objectively analyzing the behavior of the 2 sides at odds here:

SANCTIMONIOUS!!!

 

[stonproject]

Are you stupid kelama? You're comparing racism and bigotry to the folk on BF who you don't like?

Piss off.

 

[craytab]

I absolutely get what you are saying Esav about commitments out side of here. I don't really understand allowing a racist to continue to spew their ideology even after warned and no matter if provoked but you all obviously know more about what you are doing to keep this place going than the rest of us. I respect any decision you folks make even if I don't agree.

^ And therein lies the hypocrisy, Esav.

FWIW: as I sat back and observed that thread unfold; I couldn't help but fully appreciate, just how much alike this person actually is to some of these other trolls whom run rampant on this forum.

If one were to waste their valuable time, and read some of the moronic, hateful, vile, immature crap, these supposedly grown men are constantly spewing in their demented sub-forum, he really isn't a whole lot different, from many of them...

it's just a different type of hate.

It just occurred to me; the one word that comes to mind when objectively analyzing the behavior of the 2 sides at odds here:

SANCTIMONIOUS!!!

Equating W&C to pro segregation bigotry. Well that is a new one. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Armadew]

I reported some of his new post after he was initially infracted and posted in the original thread in Tech Support about it. No warnings or infractions came about, just a closed thread.

I'm not a moderator (nor do I think I should ever be!), but I really do not understand how he can continue to post here. At all.

 

[The Aflac Duck]

^ And therein lies the hypocrisy, Esav.

FWIW: as I sat back and observed that thread unfold; I couldn't help but fully appreciate, just how much alike this person actually is to some of these other trolls whom run rampant on this forum.

If one were to waste their valuable time, and read some of the moronic, hateful, vile, immature crap, these supposedly grown men are constantly spewing in their demented sub-forum, he really isn't a whole lot different, from many of them...

it's just a different type of hate.

Look, the people of that sub-forum are all knife lovers like the rest of the forum. Some of us are just bored with the same old chatter that goes on in the normal side of BladeForums. We've been there, done that. Sebenzas are old news, Spydercos have been had, custom knives have been discussed, etc.. I still enjoy knife chat, but my interests are more narrow nowadays since I know what I want and like.

The regulars of W&C are like a group of friends that are out at the bar. We are there to share stories, tell tales, gossip, take jabs at eachother, and if you happen to be someone we don't like we will tell you what we think. You will see insults, foul language, crazy pictures and gifs, but never will you see the regulars engage in what this thread is about. In your short sighted brain, I can see how you would make that comparison, but if you don't know what the hell you're talking about its best to take heed and just observe.

 

[Planterz]

^ And therein lies the hypocrisy, Esav.

FWIW: as I sat back and observed that thread unfold; I couldn't help but fully appreciate, just how much alike this person actually is to some of these other trolls whom run rampant on this forum.

If one were to waste their valuable time, and read some of the moronic, hateful, vile, immature crap, these supposedly grown men are constantly spewing in their demented sub-forum, he really isn't a whole lot different, from many of them...

it's just a different type of hate.

It amazes me that you can use the word "hypocrisy" when you go out of your way to insult the members you don't like in a thread that isn't even about them, but about a racist bigot that for some reason you're defending. Different type of hate? Just a different type of hate? What the hell is wrong with you? Homophobia, bigotry, and racism is not just a different type of hate than disagreeing with certain members because you feel bullied. If they're guilty of hating you, you're obviously every bit as guilty for hating them, otherwise why would you attack them for defendable reason in a thread that isn't about them. If they're kettles, you're the blackest pot there is.

I think the only reason not to ban City74 is that he didn't actually apply those terms to anyone here. But I wouldn't have protested if he was banned.

 

[shinyedges]

^ And therein lies the hypocrisy, Esav.

FWIW: as I sat back and observed that thread unfold; I couldn't help but fully appreciate, just how much alike this person actually is to some of these other trolls whom run rampant on this forum.

If one were to waste their valuable time, and read some of the moronic, hateful, vile, immature crap, these supposedly grown men are constantly spewing in their demented sub-forum, he really isn't a whole lot different, from many of them...

it's just a different type of hate.

Look who turns up with moronic logic again

The parallels you attempt to establish are so non existent that your foolish mentality stands out even further.

You use the word sanctimonious frequently, I find it applies to you, more so than anyone.

Oh the irony.

 

[Planterz]

Oh, and by the way KELAMA, his bigoted ranting continued into that demented subforum you hate so much that you spent $60 so you can't see it. So you're not privy to the whole conversation. Once again, you have no idea what the hell you're even talking about.

 

[HappyDaddy]

W&C is a lot of things - hilarious, juvenile, informative (seriously, I remember that one time), mean spirited, vulgar, did I mention juvenile? What it isn't is - analogous to the subject of this thread. I think folks (myself included) have made it pretty clear that they view the behavior of a particular member as being sufficiently vile as to more than justify being banned. In addition to that, I am having a hard time squaring the banning of others for less egregious behavior with the decision in this case. I'll join others in thanking the mods for doing the work they do. It's got to be a PIA. I hope that you'll take these comments for what they are - concern for a place we enjoy visiting, a lot.

(Edit - Let's not sidetrack the thread from its original question).