Why arent we in Sudan?

[Mr.BadExample]

I would only be for a temporary halt of immigration while we strengthen our borders and make INS less of a joke. We are a country of immigrants, and should always remain so.

 

[brantoken]

All good points, but it begins to tap into what I call
internationalism or globalism. At a certain point the whole globe will have
to come under some form of global government to control terrorist, organized crime and corporations, famines and the unfortunate outbreaks of ethic cleanzing or genecide.

A professionally run international service corp to handle these thing and internationally funded. Why should we go into debt when everyone should
be willing to pay for stability. Difficult yes, but it is the best long term solution
I think. we could also get rid of the threat of ICBMS by utilizing a
space based anti missle program, It's the only one that makes sense in engineering terms.

I also think that population should be controlled as well, but through education, equal rights for women and the adoption of all birth control meathods. Most countries with these have stable or negative population growth.

Also another point, as long as people reproduce beyond what the immeadiate environment can support, problems occur. People are not educated, have little opportunity , and are hungry....etc. In short they have little to loose,
as long as they can get their hands on weapons we will have problems. I think it is independant of religion and background .

The US has unclear policies on population control. We critize the Chinese who
are actively working to bring their population control. We encourge population contol in african nations . We also have a huge internal debate about birth control here. The abortion issue being central , day after pill and it goes on from there. How can we lead when we can't solve the problem here?

In short, there is a limited amount of population that the earth can support
at any given "lifestyle" level. By having more people( at any particular affuence level), than that, you reduce the potential of any individual (lack of food , education, resources, opportunity...etc) . Theortical yes, but I think
very valid.

We were discussing this exact topic here at work, a while ago and somebody point out the the entire population of the world could be placed in texas, being engineers we pulled out calcuators out and yes they are right. Everybody gets a couple of square feet. But this argument is pointless,
What is important is how much land does it take to support a human being? Each micro climate will have it own special number and it will be difficult to exactly calculate, new technology will impove upon this number
but it could be determined to be used as a guideline, I think?

Also consider , we human have no natural "ememies" to balance our population. Even with stone age technology, we inhabited almost every usable space on the planet, with technology we have disease and war as a limit contol. Neither is pleasant. As far as disease( or health care) the rich have it , we are loosing it( health care) and huge parts of the world it is not existant.

War is ugly.

It's much safer,moral, less destructive, and human to contol our population ourselves in some fashion.

I find it interesting that not matter how stupid, wicked, poor or just plan mean, you are having children is considered a right. It is a far more important job, than driving any car, which does require a lincense.

Issac Azimov pointed most of this out years ago, Population control is the
biggest problem the modern world has , his words not mine, Energy supply will be the next biggy... :footinmou :footinmou :footinmou

 

[spiraltwista]

Interesting no ones mentioned Saudi. {where the oil & terroists come from.}

If I wanted to protect western supplies in the furtre , without which the American economy will collapse, wITH no thought of morality regarding native populations,I would have troops in the area, ready to step in to protect the Royalist Dictatorship, for when it kicks off there at some time in the future.

Mind you , Iran,Afghanistan & kuwait are fairly close I guess.

Looks like a chess game to me.

Spiral

 

[Ben Arown-Awile]

...We are a country of immigrants, and should always remain so.

We are becoming a country of immigrants. We used to be a country of Americans of diverse backgrounds. I favor closing the gates until the immigrants become Americans, and it becomes advantageous to import more people, although I can't foresee any circumstances where increasing the population would be in our best interests.