Why Bush Crafting?

Never did go on that plant walk. Speaking of wild edible been working on a paw paw thread. Took pics of said paw paw. Insides and out then ate the delicious fruit. :) Will take pics of the little grove plus maybe some video. It will be my first wild edibles thread in months.

Too bad. tonym's a great guy although I don't know how active he is at the moment - new love interest, or so I've been told.

Looking forward to your paw paw thread. It's supposed to grow around here, but I've never found any yet.

Doc
 
If you've been to Idaho or Montana, to name just two you would understand that your perspective on wolves is limited at best. That is what Channel 13 or Wikipedia might say but that is not the case in the least. In fact the notion is laughable. I speak from experience, not theory . Wolves prey on all animals, not just the sick and weak. They do so to the point that the population numbers for all game animals has been significantly affected.

We can get into this all you 2want because if your statement about wolves is part of your position it will be an easy argument to show you just how mistaken you are. Over the course of history nature has not really suffered the way it has been cast, especially when considering the effects of nature on itself. No man can rival it.

For starters look at the numbers for each game animal as well as the environment as a whole before regulation starting in the early 1900's or so. Then compare those numbers to this century. After that we can discuss the tree populations and the requirements for planting vs harvesting here in the US. We can further discuss private donor groups such as the RMEF and NTF and their contributions to the environment and so forth.

Stick to facts as opposed to politically motivated theory and reality will become obvious..

I have actually been to Idaho and Montana. And a great many other places as well.

Predators eat things. When they eat things that cuts in to the artificially high numbers of natural game that are sustained by removing natural predators and winter feeding programs. Those programs exist to boost the amount of game to hunt and hunters don't want the competition. There is your politically motivated theory. The hunters hate wolves because 'they took our jobs' *grumble*.

Facts about humans being poor stewards? Mining, farming, logging, trawling, bees, water usage.

You are probably a good guy not doing much to mess up the planet. If you live in a rural area you might even believe that there is no destruction taking place. You would be wrong. Not everyone is a good guy. There are really bad things happening to this rock we live on. Stuff our children and grandchildren will suffer for. Just because you don't like how the politicians are twisting the facts doesn't mean we can safely ignore them.

This has nothing to do with bushcraft though so I'll get off my soapbox.
 
Back on topic. The bushcrafting tasks I do are about being comfortable and having fun. I enjoy making fires. I enjoy cooking on fires. I enjoy having a shelter from the rain. These are things I do on my own land for the most part or in communal outdoors cooking areas.

When backpacking I carry a stove (trangia). Much less muss and fuss.
 
Well since you had nothing to add to my question, why'd you bother replying?

Why try and start a fight about something that you have no business getting into. The read isn't about global warming, in case you didn't read anything anyone had to say, but appearently are the only one with a solution to our planet's problem. For shame for not fixing the problem if you've had the answer all this time. Well there's one primitive skill I've seen before...

Apparently yor allow wild emotion to take precedence over facts regularly huh? No one claimed any type of cure, nor superior grasp of a certain aspect of a problem. Those are phantom elements you ginned up to cast your so called argument. You are deliberately looking to perpetuate this issue on this thread, when you and I both stated this is not the place. Unlike you I say what I mean and so forth.

Furthermore your backhanded, disjointed and provocative commentary exhibits a very spiteful, small character when someone dare disagrees w you . So much for constructive discourse huh? Then again, that ended with your posting of one small cartoon that is laughable at best because it takes a small "bit" of information and attempts to develop an entire software system around it. No reasonable person would do this.

Speaking of reading, you apparently did not, or rather quit upon sensing the irresistible emotional swing from someone in disagreement w you. We are speaking apples and oranges. The only thing primitive here is your lack of control over your emotions.

Finally PM me if you wish to continue.

Oh and to B34NS- I've done much more than just visit Idaho and Montana to name a few. . Especially Idaho and you are mistaken on your "take" there in regard to wolves. We didn't even speak about their effects on farming/ranching or attempts at predation on humans. In terms of your comments about the various industries you are correct and also mistaken. There has been great abuse including in the Petrol industry- primarily. The corrections have been made in most except in that one in particular. No one stated there have not been abuses, but there have been draconian measures taken which also kill industry. THis topic has gone a direction it should not have gone in this thread.PM me if you like but we're done here, please.
 
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Never did go on that plant walk. Speaking of wild edible been working on a paw paw thread. Took pics of said paw paw. Insides and out then ate the delicious fruit. :) Will take pics of the little grove plus maybe some video. It will be my first wild edibles thread in months.

Looking forward to the paw paw thread! Your's, DOC's and kdg's threads on edibles are great! Woods, thanks for putting them all in that one thread, they've been an enjoyable read instead of hunting through search. Although you guys make me mis the bounty of the eastern woodlands. I really appreciate those threads and contributions.

waveone, I've got nothing against ya, although we may be from different camps of thought on things, no reason we can't all get along, I was just pissed as I finally got to talk to DOC about those wild edible threads, and then wolves. No hard feelings for ya, and yea, I'll try and keep my wild side down. I appreciate this threads made it this far!
 
Looking forward to the paw paw thread! Your's, DOC's and kdg's threads on edibles are great! Woods, thanks for putting them all in that one thread, they've been an enjoyable read instead of hunting through search. Although you guys make me mis the bounty of the eastern woodlands. I really appreciate those threads and contributions.

waveone, I've got nothing against ya, although we may be from different camps of thought on things, no reason we can't all get along, I was just pissed as I finally got to talk to DOC about those wild edible threads, and then wolves. No hard feelings for ya, and yea, I'll try and keep my wild side down. I appreciate this threads made it this far!


None taken. I liked Doc's comments too. Now back to bush- crafting............
 
For me bushcraft is crafting things in the bush. A blade helps although you can make that too.
I love bushcraft!
 
Fun is an understatement. Have you ever made fire with friction? Quite satisfying in fact.

No actually, I have not. I carved out a spindle, and carved appropriate notched holes in a base board last winter with an ESEE 4 I believe. Now it is near a year later and the stuff is still tossed into a closet. Maybe I'll dig it out. I'm sure that the choke cherry is more than dry by now. :D
 
Fact of the matter is that these activities we are talking about have a bit of magic in them. More and more folks don't have a product at the end of the day, so, when fire is spawned by had or a shelter is made for the night, not to mention creating ones one Archery gear, the sense of accomplishment is there staring you in the face. It's a nice feeling to walk into the wilds with less fear than you might previously had.

...as far as double posts- when my computer asks me to "leave this page" I do and no double post.;)
 
This is not directed to anybody in particular.

This is supposed to be a Wilderness and Survival Skills forum. Over the years I have seen less and less skills being discussed. Perhaps that is the reason for the migration to other discussion forums by members including our own moderators.

It is time to get back to the basics and forget all this political and non-political squabbling ranging from man's contribution to global warming to the pros and cons of batonning.

Got a skill to share? Let's hear it. Working on a skill and having problems? Let's hear that too. Somebody else has surely experienced the problem that you are having and can help.

Want to hear about how to perform a skill? Ask. I'm sure that no matter the skill, there is somebody here that has some experience.

My 2 cents.

Doc

This may not be directed to anyone in particular doc, but you are painting with a wide brush. First I reject your premise that less and less skills are discussed. Actually the same skills are discussed over and over again to the point of boredom for longer term members. Which likely contributes to forum malaise. And as for driving moderators away, I didn't realize that forumites were so powerful, or alternately, that some members were such frail reeds. I remember one of the last conversations here with a moderator and a long term member went 4-5 pages on Sasquatch ! When I mentioned that these sightings were likely Grizzlies, poof, the mod vanished. Who cares. People come and people go, it's an open forum. As for the posting of skills or how to's, go for it if you desire. And yes some here do contribute almost nothing and swoop in now and then to pontificate their elitist opinions. And if you have noticed Doc, many folk here post up their outdoor trips. Many of us are just common folk that work and have lives. Maybe a weekend here and there dedicated to our outdoor interests is the best we can do with life commitments and busy schedules. So maybe we can all ease back on the throttle here a bit and accept a bit of diversity. I didn't hear a peep from you when I posted on eating wild indigenous cactus here in Canada, as a survival food. Maybe it wasn't up to your standards, but it got me to talking to interesting fellows like Neeman etc. on the topic. Doc, I do respect your contributions and those of Mistwalker etc. But recognize that we are a diverse group and that adults make their own decisions to stay or leave.
 
This may not be directed to anyone in particular doc, but you are painting with a wide brush. First I reject your premise that less and less skills are discussed. Actually the same skills are discussed over and over again to the point of boredom for longer term members. Which likely contributes to forum malaise. And as for driving moderators away, I didn't realize that forumites were so powerful, or alternately, that some members were such frail reeds. I remember one of the last conversations here with a moderator and a long term member went 4-5 pages on Sasquatch ! When I mentioned that these sightings were likely Grizzlies, poof, the mod vanished. Who cares. People come and people go, it's an open forum. As for the posting of skills or how to's, go for it if you desire. And yes some here do contribute almost nothing and swoop in now and then to pontificate their elitist opinions. And if you have noticed Doc, many folk here post up their outdoor trips. Many of us are just common folk that work and have lives. Maybe a weekend here and there dedicated to our outdoor interests is the best we can do with life commitments and busy schedules. So maybe we can all ease back on the throttle here a bit and accept a bit of diversity. I didn't hear a peep from you when I posted on eating wild indigenous cactus here in Canada, as a survival food. Maybe it wasn't up to your standards, but it got me to talking to interesting fellows like Neeman etc. on the topic. Doc, I do respect your contributions and those of Mistwalker etc. But recognize that we are a diverse group and that adults make their own decisions to stay or leave.

I give up, you win!
 
would someone with innocent intent post on a Bike forum I dont know why you wouldn't use a car.....
 
would someone with innocent intent post on a Bike forum I dont know why you wouldn't use a car.....

Yes, I would.

Similarly, on one of the expedition forums I am on, that has subforums that deal with a few different types of transport, I may well suggest a boat is a better option.

It is inevitable on certain sorts of forums that “the right answer” does not accord with someone's “preferred pet answer”.

I saw it happen here again here the other day in the General Forum. Someone was asking about what type of knife was the best type for outdoor pursuit X. Several people threw in their big ole knife recommendations. A couple of people that knew about pursuit X accurately said that not much of any kind of knife was needed at all. And that was the truth of it. That pissed some people off, and you could hear their cries of “but this is Blade Forums”. Well, well done Sherlock I thought. Does that mean we have to be dishonest about pursuit X just to accommodate other stuff that interests us. Are you not big enough to be able to enjoy one whilst simultaneously accepting the truth of the other. From the tenor of the posts one guy was chucking out no. He was way too small. One had to go. The dissonance was clearly too much for him to sustain.

Suppose we were all on a forum because we were into collecting sundials. Some bloke rolls up saying, “I'm going on a trip X and I need a really accurate time piece, what to you suggest?”. It would not be unreasonable for someone that knows about trip X to say “actually mate, nothing against sundials but you'd be a goon to drag one of those along when you can grab a Casio from a garage from a few quid that'll be a far better choice”. Surely we could all see that the if the sundial-tinted-window mob then chime in with “but this is Sundial Forums, so the answer must be some sort of sundial” it would be daft. The tragedy is that when an equivalent thing happens here people do not see it. Yes this is a knife forum, but knives don't exist in a vacuum, they have context.

That is especially true in this subforum which is just as much about the context as it is about knives. Surely, when the goal is to solve a problem in a context we can happily say, “If you want to cut your hair in the woods get some scissors not a hairdressing knife”, “get a hatchet or machete not some big stabby clown thing for fighting in an arena”, “even in the woods you are better off shaving your face with a razor than using a skinning knife”, and so on.

I know this all sounds really stupid and obvious. But that's really the point. The next time you see someone go “but this is a knife forum” remember how obvious the counter is, and how stupid they are being.
 
would someone with innocent intent post on a Bike forum I dont know why you wouldn't use a car.....

having been on bikeforums as a long time lurker, yea there's always those people. I don't feed wildlife, but I don't mind feeding trolls from time to time ;)
 
Why do people always seem to wonder what the term "bushcraft" means?
It's a vague, broad term and it means different things to different people, if you want the short answer.
 
For me bushcraft is crafting things in the bush. A blade helps although you can make that too.
I love bushcraft!

I know what I just said right above this, but I just want to add the word craft does not necessarially have to mean making things, like scrapbooking or what have you,
a craft is another word for a set of skills, including making things from wood. To me the term bushcraft means simply knowledge, of places where not many other people or concrete happen to be.
 
Bushcraft is a way for me to feel like i'm doing what human beings were designed to do. Being out in the wilderness, having nothing to do but survive with a few essentials, and just living helps me forget about being stuck behind a desk for 40 hours a week. Human beings weren't meant to sit in little cubicles or offices for 8 hours a day. It helps you get in touch with your primal self, and teaches you valuable life lessons in the process.
 
Bushcraft is a way for me to feel like i'm doing what human beings were designed to do. Being out in the wilderness, having nothing to do but survive with a few essentials, and just living helps me forget about being stuck behind a desk for 40 hours a week. Human beings weren't meant to sit in little cubicles or offices for 8 hours a day. It helps you get in touch with your primal self, and teaches you valuable life lessons in the process.

Great description. My sentiments exactly. Jeff
 
Another question, sorry if these are frustratingly obvious to some, just trying to understand the bushcraft kids a little better.

So after a day of making toggles, tripods, traps, bow drills, do you take them home with you or do you leave them where you found them so to speak?
 
Sometimes it's really just about getting away from it all. Leaving the city behind and enjoying the great outdoors. I love spending as much time as my schedule allows, outside amongst natures wonders.
 
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