I know there has been a lot of mixed feelings in the marksman, so here is my 2 cents, the Buck 830 Marksman is a different kind of folding pocket knife, I am still getting used to her, so far I love it! I did carry a Buck Lux Pro which I also loved but it did fall out of my pocket a few times, and this last time she slipped out.... Well I'm gonna miss her. But the marksman has not even came close to falling out! I still have to check and make sure she is still there because I don't feel it in my jeans! I would recommend giving the Buck Marksman a try!