Why do most people like pocket knives?

Chimps also like machetes (guess they don't see the need for pocket-knives...probably because they don't have pockets ;) ).

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stabman said:
But don't worry, you'll be fine...monkeys have no training, so the internet says they are defenseless. :)

Unless they have a gun... :D

[video=youtube;GhxqIITtTtU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU[/video]
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Ha ha I love that video, he looks so proud at the end.
 
stabman said:
Remember, Gaston figures that big fixed blades freak people out...so he carries a huge fixed blade knife for EDC tasks, and keeps it shoved in his pants...
And no manufacturer knows how to sharpen knives properly...then he shows his "properly sharpened" knives, and everyone cringes.

It may be an act. ;)
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Oh I remember. "the best way to carry a 10" fixed blade is IWB". And "It must be hollow handled". "Anything else is ridiculous".

Okay guy.:rolleyes:
 
LakanDula said:
Am I really the only one that prefers being armed with a combat knife/bowie knife? Whenever people talk about self-defense, I always see "pocket knives". In my State (Indiana), it's legal to carry combat knives concealed or open. Same with Doug Ritter's Knife Rights movement, all I see is pictures of pocket knives.

I mean I get that they're small and easy to hide, but I don't know of they'd do the job against a big scary dangerous predator or big angry guy......the pain inflicted could only encorouage 'em to go after you more.

Let the record show, that while I've been into blades ever since 2005, I haven't really gone into the "collecting" and "self-defense" aspect until about February of 2015, so I'm fairly kinda new to this. So, someone shed some light on this?
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I always have a swiss on my key chain. It is max I need in daily routine, from cutting something to unscrew something or ... you named it. I don't want to get in self-defence aspect because it is a very long subject and it doesn't make sense for me just because if someone wants to cut someone, will do it, regardless the size of the blade and how much you think you are good to knife fighting.
 
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I would recommend Gaston444 study the works of Fred Perrin, who has designed and made many small, concealable, and deadly fixed and folding knives. His abilities with these are far greater than their size. Training trumps technology.
 
Kwon Kwang said:
If I legally could carry for defensive purposes, I'd EDC my R1 Military Classic/CS BBC on the same belt with a 1911, or maybe a Leatherneck tanto & Glock 34.
Tiny blades, tiny handles, and locks that can fail. When using a knife for SD, reach is everything, and a little 2 to 3" bladed folder isn't going to help as much as you think.
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I beg to differ. IN SD against knife, capacity to fight after you got cut is everything. Reach is important when you think to eliminate the blade advantage, not the attacker. From anatomical point of view, 3" are more than enough to send you in lala-land. Even 2" is more than enough if it cuts your femoral artery. But again, why were you there (in the situation to fight with/against knife) in first place? Avoid as much as possible any conflict is much better, and keep the knife for cutting things other than humans. It is healthier as philosophy. At least for me.
 
Gaston444 said:
Very good points Killgar.

To which I would add that not only are knives much lighter (and less expensive) than guns, but also that this weight is not a compact mass but a long thin and slim mass, which takes them in a completely different territory of ease of carry... If I had to deal with the mass of a gun, I'd rather move elsewhere than carry this heavy lump on a routine basis...

Gaston
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"What happened to the dead guy?"
"He brought a knife to a gunfight..."
 
Quiet said:
I'm sorry Gaston, what was that? What? Sorry, I can't hear you over that giant sucking wind sound.

http://www.scoutstuff.org/bsa/camping/knives-accessories/knives/knife-bs-pocket.html#.VmSYdeKpoT4
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This is what YOU in America, or a manufacturer, choose to call a Boy Scout knife, but it has no identifiable features that make it any different than any other traditional folder...

In Europe it is a generic term that only refers to fixed blades of 5 to 7 inches in blade length, with a flat ground blade of a certain look, clipped bowie but with the point hardly dropped, with a double guard and a stacked leather handle that is unusually small, like 4" in length, sized for smaller hands to some extent. I suppose some Randalls might get called a "Boy Scout knife" if it was made over there, but the term refers only to a full flat ground fixed blade of a certain look, and Randalls are hollow ground and have full-sized handles...

I'm sure you don't care what they call it over there, but in Europe there is no generic term referring to a folder as a "Boy Scout Knife", and certainly not for the period 1920-1970... A maker will put this designation on a folder, but as a generic term in Europe it has no reference to a folder.

It's a pleasure to see you thrilled to have learned something you obviously didn't know.

Gaston
 
Wilsonhome said:
I won't at all argue with you on what you might carry for your own protection, your choice. I will point out that there are a number of pistols you might look at which can be carried just as easily, if not more so, than an 8-10 inch knife. The Ruger LC9, Kahr & Kimber Solo Carry (my favorite of the three) can be concealed easily and in a proper holster are barely noticeable. I am sure there are others.

Back to knives...
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I still think the way a 17 ounces handgun is shaped makes it way more unconfortable to carry in a way that is concealed with your jacket off. It will print through a wool shirt, while even a fairly big knife will print, but a lot less.

I don't often carry a 10" hollow handle, as the handle is not optimized for a low outside print, but it can be done easily when you want to keep boredom at bay...

The issue is not that a handgun is better for self-defense, but I notice no one advocating carrying a handgun also advocates wearing a bulletproof vest, even though the vest is less trouble and makes a lot more sense... Also, outside the US, where I am, carrying a handgun is way more potential trouble than it is worth.

Quite frankly, I have trouble imagining a practical-minded American like Andy Rooney carrying a handgun: I think he would wear a vest first...

In Russia I notice many people carry handguns, even rifles, for defense, but they are usually kept in the vehicle and never carried about on the person... On the person is really a step beyond, even for Russians...

The problem with carrying handguns on the person is not that it is stupid per see, but that it looks stupid... Carrying a huge hollow handle concealed I agree may also look stupid, but that I do for fun... I actually carry other styles of fixed blades when I feel like it, and even if people around me were to know, they would not be as shocked as they would be by an actual handgun...

As for the comment that if people had carried handguns in Paris they would have survived better, maybe indeed they would, but it wouldn't be Paris anymore, and I'm sure they would all rather keep their city the way it is...

Gaston
 
Gaston444 said:
This is what YOU in America, or a manufacturer, choose to call a Boy Scout knife, but it has no identifiable features that make it any different than any other traditional folder...

In Europe it is a generic term that only refers to fixed blades of 5 to 7 inches in blade length, with a flat ground blade of a certain look, clipped bowie but with the point hardly dropped, with a double guard and a stacked leather handle that is unusually small, like 4" in length, sized for smaller hands to some extent. I suppose some Randalls might get called a "Boy Scout knife" if it was made over there, but the term refers only to a full flat ground fixed blade of a certain look, and Randalls are hollow ground and have full-sized handles...

I'm sure you don't care what they call it over there, but in Europe there is no generic term referring to a folder as a "Boy Scout Knife", and certainly not for the period 1920-1970... A maker will put this designation on a folder, but as a generic term in Europe it has no reference to a folder.

It's a pleasure to see you thrilled to have learned something you obviously didn't know.

Gaston
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Thank you o great one with the 10" hollow handle for bestowing upon us all your infinite knowledge. [emoji119]
 
Gaston444 said:
This is what YOU in America, or a manufacturer, choose to call a Boy Scout knife, but it has no identifiable features that make it any different than any other traditional folder...

In Europe it is a generic term that only refers to fixed blades of 5 to 7 inches in blade length, with a flat ground blade of a certain look, clipped bowie but with the point hardly dropped, with a double guard and a stacked leather handle that is unusually small, like 4" in length, sized for smaller hands to some extent. I suppose some Randalls might get called a "Boy Scout knife" if it was made over there, but the term refers only to a full flat ground fixed blade of a certain look, and Randalls are hollow ground and have full-sized handles...

I'm sure you don't care what they call it over there, but in Europe there is no generic term referring to a folder as a "Boy Scout Knife", and certainly not for the period 1920-1970... A maker will put this designation on a folder, but as a generic term in Europe it has no reference to a folder.

It's a pleasure to see you thrilled to have learned something you obviously didn't know.

Gaston
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Nonsense.

Gaston444 said:
I still think the way a 17 ounces handgun is shaped makes it way more unconfortable to carry in a way that is concealed with your jacket off. It will print through a wool shirt, while even a fairly big knife will print, but a lot less.
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Wrong. I know because I carry a subcompact double stack everyday. What gun do you carry and what is you experience with it?

Gaston444 said:
The issue is not that a handgun is better for self-defense, but I notice no one advocating carrying a handgun also advocates wearing a bulletproof vest, even though the vest is less trouble and makes a lot more sense... Also, outside the US, where I am, carrying a handgun is way more potential trouble than it is worth.
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Typical non-gun country mentality. Wear a vest and don't carry a gun. Let them hopefully only shoot you in the chest with bullets that hopefully won't pierce the vest. Not our fault your country won't let you protect yourself.

Gaston444 said:
Quite frankly, I have trouble imagining a practical-minded American like Andy Rooney carrying a handgun: I think he would wear a vest first...
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Andy Rooney was full of it. If you hold him as the bastion saint of the USA no wonder you hate us so much and continuously come here and spout this anti-US nonsense.

Gaston444 said:
In Russia I notice many people carry handguns, even rifles, for defense, but they are usually kept in the vehicle and never carried about on the person... On the person is really a step beyond, even for Russians...
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You want to use Russians as a more practical example than Americans? Seriously? Next you will tell me they won the cold war.

Gaston444 said:
The problem with carrying handguns on the person is not that it is stupid per see, but that it looks stupid... Carrying a huge hollow handle concealed I agree may also look stupid, but that I do for fun... I actually carry other styles of fixed blades when I feel like it, and even if people around me were to know, they would not be as shocked as they would be by an actual handgun...
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How would you know anything about carrying a hand gun? You don't carry one. Not one person can tell if I am carrying. And I can't tell if my friends are carrying. When we meet up we all ask each other what we have and how we are carrying. Your information is painfully inaccurate.

Gaston444 said:
As for the comment that if people had carried handguns in Paris they would have survived better, maybe indeed they would, but it wouldn't be Paris anymore, and I'm sure they would all rather keep their city the way it is...
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Yes, they have been rolling over like pansies for centuries. Works great for them to have other countries fight their wars while they keep their city.
 
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I've carried a small slip joint pocket knife basically for 50 years for my little tasks that a knife is useful for.

If I'm anticipating the need for a larger knife, deer hunting for example, I'll add what I feel is necessary.

I know that in the event I'm in a situation where I need to defend myself, or others, with a knife, I'm most likely well and truly screwed.

I agree that I'd much prefer to have my concealed pistol. Much better in a bad situation.

Although I can see the logic of perhaps carrying a pocket clipped locking knife, or smaller fixed blade, if you're in the environment that conceived firearms are banned, not allowed, whatever. I know the odds of one of us getting into a situation similar to San Bernadino are very slim, but saying those things just don't happen around here, isn't true any longer. They can occur anywhere at anytime. Naive to think otherwise IMHO.

My point being that perhaps as a last ditch effort in a terrible situation, a knife may be all you have if it appears you, or someone close to you, are in a life or death situation. Dunno. It's a rough world out there anymore. I think maybe I'd rather have a knife even if I'm not trained in knife offense, than nothing at all if I can't CCW for whatever reason.
 
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Fist ditch I'm using my ruger sr 40!
Last ditch I'm going full berserker mode with my cold steel voyager vaquero!
 
Gaston444 said:
This is what YOU in America, or a manufacturer, choose to call a Boy Scout knife, but it has no identifiable features that make it any different than any other traditional folder...

In Europe it is a generic term that only refers to fixed blades of 5 to 7 inches in blade length, with a flat ground blade of a certain look, clipped bowie but with the point hardly dropped, with a double guard and a stacked leather handle that is unusually small, like 4" in length, sized for smaller hands to some extent. I suppose some Randalls might get called a "Boy Scout knife" if it was made over there, but the term refers only to a full flat ground fixed blade of a certain look, and Randalls are hollow ground and have full-sized handles...

I'm sure you don't care what they call it over there, but in Europe there is no generic term referring to a folder as a "Boy Scout Knife", and certainly not for the period 1920-1970... A maker will put this designation on a folder, but as a generic term in Europe it has no reference to a folder.

It's a pleasure to see you thrilled to have learned something you obviously didn't know.

Gaston
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Gaston,

All I'm seeing here is that you're trying to sidestep admitting you're wrong. You specifically stated:

Gaston444 said:
This is actually the only knife that bears this name and no other, and even the soldiers that carried it into battle called it "The Boy Scout Knife".


Gaston
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You didn't say "No other here in Europe", you said "no other". So, you were wrong, and no one here cares about your incorrect opinions stated as fact. I really hope you get banned soon.

By the way? The Boy Scouts of America is the older organization, so technically, we had "Boy Scout knives" before your French guys did. Have a nice day. :thumbup:
 
Quiet said:
Gaston,

All I'm seeing here is that you're trying to sidestep admitting you're wrong. You specifically stated:



You didn't say "No other here in Europe", you said "no other". So, you were wrong, and no one here cares about your incorrect opinions stated as fact. I really hope you get banned soon.

By the way? The Boy Scouts of America is the older organization, so technically, we had "Boy Scout knives" before your French guys did. Have a nice day. :thumbup:
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That's not fair. You have used logic and reason to back up your assertions with evidence! This will not be tolerated! (said in French accent)
 
I'm just curious how shoving a 10" blade down your pants could possibly be more comfortable then having a sub compact iwb.
 
If he's never carried (or tried to carry) a pistol then he has no idea. I build holsters, and a small, subcompact is incredibly easy to conceal under just a t shirt. Hell, I can hide a 1911 under a t shirt with no problem, it's completely dependent on a proper holster and belt.

I also build Southern Comfort style sheaths (under Mike's tutelage and with his permission), and while I can build a sheath that will let you conceal a 10" blade with little difficulty, I personally find the pistol more comfortable, and I'm not carrying a subcompact.
 
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