Why do people cover up

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This topic has been beaten to death over, and over, and over again.

Here's why.....

The buyer and seller have a right to privacy and the seller reserves the right to remove the price to retain that privacy.

End of story.
 
I leave my prices up.

If I buy I reply quoting the original price to ensure it stays up forever.

I don't like the pricing deception / flipping game that goes on here.

-Stan
 
SpookyDriver said:
No, no one has ever commented while the sale was active. I sell for whatever price I want. I received my "complaints" after the sales were completed.
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Are they not still trying to get you to "fix" the price though even by making the comment after the sale? Kind of an, hey you sold that to low, raise your prices so the rest of us don't have to sell so low.
 
Ken C. said:
This topic has been beaten to death over, and over, and over again.

Here's why.....

The buyer and seller have a right to privacy and the seller reserves the right to remove the price to retain that privacy.

End of story.
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What privacy on such a public forum with public announcement of prices to start the selling of items? Seems rather redundant.
 
OvalmanPA said:
Are they not still trying to get you to "fix" the price though even by making the comment after the sale? Kind of an, hey you sold that to low, raise your prices so the rest of us don't have to sell so low.
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The asking price is no one else's business but the sellers and the purchaser. Anyone else making a comment in the thread that does not have anything to do with the actual purchase of the item is strictly forbidden. If this occurs the offender will be dealt with. If anyone has an issue with a members asking price for a knife they are more than welcome to cram it because their opinion does not matter.

OldeWolf said:
What privacy on such a public forum with public announcement of prices to start the selling of items? Seems rather redundant.
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Sorry, this is not a "public" forum. This forum is privately owned by Spark and therefore not subject to what you believe to public. The members who sell here are paid members and have the privilege to do so and reserve the right to do with their posts as they wish including the removal of prices from a sales thread.
 
I was referring to "public" as in open for anyone to see across the entirety of the internet, thus quite rather public in that regard so what "privacy" in such a setting. Once a price is announced for an item, why remove it then? Again, redundancy in action so why try to close the barn door after the horse is gone?

Ken, you can keep trying to beat into our skulls your opinion but the facts remains, we will still think those ways we have as posted above and for good reasons too.
 
I keep mine up,but lighten the color of it,then put a big,red,bold "SOLD" next to it.I think it should remain up to the seller.
 
Ken C. said:
The asking price is no one else's business but the sellers and the purchaser. Anyone else making a comment in the thread that does not have anything to do with the actual purchase of the item is strictly forbidden. If this occurs the offender will be dealt with. If anyone has an issue with a members asking price for a knife they are more than welcome to cram it because their opinion does not matter.
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Trust me, not trying to argue here just stating an opinion. From what SpookyDriver said above they are getting around the "posting in the thread" by sending PMs (even after the sale) so that's why he no longer leaves the prices "intact" after the sale. During or after the sale, when somebody sends you messages that you're "hurting other forum members sales" by selling lower, to me that is an attempt at price fixing. My last post on the subject......
 
OldeWolf said:
I was referring to "public" as in open for anyone to see across the entirety of the internet, thus quite rather public in that regard so what "privacy" in such a setting. Once a price is announced for an item, why remove it then? Again, redundancy in action so why try to close the barn door after the horse is gone?

Ken, you can keep trying to beat into our skulls your opinion but the facts remains, we will still think those ways we have as posted above and for good reasons too.
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Not my opinion....it's fact. The seller reserves the right to remove it. It is not your place or mine to tell them otherwise. A transaction between two individuals is not our business. If you are worried about the pricing of knives and a person undercutting or overpricing them what business is it of ours? We do not know what that person paid originally and they may simply being trying to recoup funds or make a little bit of profit on an discontinued item. Either way, none of our business. Do you really care whether I paid more or less for a knife? Does a seller removing his price harm you in any way or cause the planets to fall out of alingment? No, it doesn't. If the item sells for his asking price then the seller accomplished what he set out to do and the buyer was comfortable paying the stated price.

The business of buying and selling knives is a large one and the market (and in this forum, the seller) dictates the price, not a bunch of whiners on a knife forum who have nothing better to do than stick their noses in someone else's business.

OvalmanPA said:
Trust me, not trying to argue here just stating an opinion. From what SpookyDriver said above they are getting around the "posting in the thread" by sending PMs (even after the sale) so that's why he no longer leaves the prices "intact" after the sale. During or after the sale, when somebody sends you messages that you're "hurting other forum members sales" by selling lower, to me that is an attempt at price fixing. My last post on the subject......
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Who are "they" and why, if this is happening, are they not reporting it to the moderators? We can't fix what we don't know about. And the whole idea of price fixing is a joke. No one person is going to change another persons mind about their selling price.
 
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Ken, you're only approaching it from one linear angle while I'm approaching it from a completely different angle. Some people here including me actually uses all the seller's price point as a reference point in terms of resale values of a knife. I have not a care if they over price it or under cut the price even tho you're trying so hard to imply that it was the issue I was most concerned about. I don't give a rat's ass if they overprice it or under cut it, period. What I care more about is the market original value vs resale value so I (we) can get a better idea of what's going on. But if it keeps getting covered up for redundant reasons, it's counterproductive and no one benefits from the knowledge of a going rate for a knife for any future purchases.

So do all of us a favor, ken and expand your perceptions to more than just one issue in this particular situation as there is plenty of ways to look at this singular thing as like you said, it's a big market. Thank you.

Edit: This is the last I will say on this subject as all can see Ken is set in his ways and opinions.
 
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Once more.....

It is none of our business what a seller does with his thread after the item is sold. Period. Your argument that a seller should keep a price up for YOUR benefit is invalid.

I'm done discussing this. I've explained it as simply as I possibly could. Argue amongst yourselves if you really need to. The answer will still remain the same.
 
You're right, there's not much you can do to change a general mass of people's perspective in this particular situation. You can talk yourself hoarse but it wont change the fact that the prices appeared publicly in the first place and everyone (not just me as you kept yourself simple in thinking so) will and always does put such information to use regardless of the seller's intents. That's the way of the internet, no matter who "owns" a website. Once the information is out there in cyberspace, it's open season for everyone.

It's alright Ken, don't worry so much about it. Be well.
~Wolf
 
OldeWolf said:
You're right, there's not much you can do to change a general mass of people's perspective in this particular situation. You can talk yourself hoarse but it wont change the fact that the prices appeared publicly in the first place and everyone (not just me as you kept yourself simple in thinking so) will and always does put such information to use regardless of the seller's intents. That's the way of the internet, no matter who "owns" a website. Once the information is out there in cyberspace, it's open season for everyone.

It's alright Ken, don't worry so much about it. Be well.
~Wolf
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This is a privately owned site so it DOES matter whether you think so or not. The owner of the site has decided it is the seller's prerogative to remove the sale price once the deal is done. What additional information do you require?

Jason
 
It's hard to state it any more clearly than Morrow and Ken have. Be grateful that the HPIC has given us choices on how to deal with the threads. More rules is not necessarily a better thing all the time. Also, for the record....being a mod on any forum is a thankless job, consider that for a moment before becoming arguementative with them.
 
Morrow said:
This is a privately owned site so it DOES matter whether you think so or not. The owner of the site has decided it is the seller's prerogative to remove the sale price once the deal is done. What additional information do you require?

Jason
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I'm trying to point out that, regardless on it being privately owned, it's still existing on "public land" aka the internet where anyone can Google up a knife and come across a price and use that price as a reference point any time they wished, privately owned or not. In fact, that's exactly how I found out about blade forums in first place. I just find it amusing how hard mods are arguing this point that cannot change; anything we do on the internet is open for anyone to see unless it's completely blocked from public to the point only a few people have access to it. In another word, every website on the internet are all "privately owned" in some degree or fashion but they are all on "public land" thus open for anyone to see or search for what they want.

That being said, it's redundant removing the price after the horse left the barn just to close the barn door and prevent that horse from leaving. There are ways to preserve the asking price and I will start suggesting to other members to do those ways in order to preserve it for public to use. In fact, they're already using it for the most part so I probably wont have to tell them anyways.

I don't see why it's such a big deal over an asking price. It's like they're embarrassed for making such money from reselling or making a profit or whatever. *shrugs*

RevDevil said:
It's hard to state it any more clearly than Morrow and Ken have. Be grateful that the HPIC has given us choices on how to deal with the threads. More rules is not necessarily a better thing all the time. Also, for the record....being a mod on any forum is a thankless job, consider that for a moment before becoming arguementative with them.
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And you're right, Rev. More rules restricts aiding the public viewers from interacting and joining in with a certain community just to keep a few persons happy (Not talking about paid member benefits). I've been a mod for sever servers, forums, workshops, etc I know what it feels like so I know what it's like on both sides of the coin. That's one reason why being a mod is not a fun thing; perspectives becomes linear, to say the least.

Bah, look at you guys got me talking some more. :p
 
OldeWolf said:
Bah, look at you guys got me talking some more. :p
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I have an idea on how to remedy that in this particular instance.

(In the end the decision as to what to leave from the original post is up to the OP...just as, in the end, the only relevant parties to the transaction are the seller and the buyer.)

Now, let's find something else to waste our time with.
 
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