Why do you like slipjoints?

I carry a traditional because that's all that was available for approximately the first half of my life, so that's what I've carried for the past 65+ years. Since the time modern knives showed up, I've tried one or two (I own several) but they never tripped my trigger as carry knives. I guess it will be a traditional in my pocket until they throw dirt in my face.
 
Cory, i should apologize for being such a hard nose in my post. I do know that not all modern folders are beveled flat bars, in fact I quite liked my delica before I lost it. But I've seen more and more production knives that are just huge, and the knife nut in me is getting irked at the sight of them. I believe 0.125 and larger have been on three knives I've seen in general this year.
I should clarify that I don't like the overbuilt hype that some makers have. Spyderco is truly one of my favorite knife companies, if only for their down to earth, no nonsense approach to things. Traditional ideology with a twist.
Connor

That last part can be debated, but it's a matter of personal perception and opinion, of which mine is no more valid than yours. However, I notice that the majority of modern folder manufacturers (especially the big ones) produce a wide variety of patterns that appeal to many potential patrons (try saying that 3 times fast!) not just the tactical folder market. Look at the new Benchmade Crooked River with wood covers and it's popularity. Nice knife, yeah it's huge and the orange is still kinda silly but I won't deny not wanting one. The flip side of that is the traditional manufacturers don't integrate modern elements into their patterns; well, maybe the exception is Boker. Just adding to the discussion.
 
I'd have to agree with you, for the most part I am a fan of spyderco. They know people see the hole as ugly, but it's so useful that it doesn't matter. Of course they have luxury stuff, but there's many a custom slippie that looks like a museum piece. I admire Sal Glessner just like the folks at GEC, Ethan Becker, Jared Jarosz (might have misspelled that), and all of our sponsored knife makers here who are very in touch with their customers and fan base.

Form and function have their weights between collectors/owners, and modern and traditional cover the spectrum. I must admit that i am interested in a BM, and they have a lot of great products, but by and by I prefer a traditional, and can find one to cover my needs in fixed or folding most of the time.

I enjoy this discussion quite a bit.

Connor
 
Slipjoints are simple. A slipjoint in has a history and soul that modern folders don't.
 
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With the lock-knife you never know when it's gonna fail. There is no feedback.

As for me I was using big-hard-lock-super-steel-one-handed folders for about 11 years. In some periods of exacerbation there was even CS Voyager Tanto XL and CS Counter Point XL. After that there were CS Kudu, Svord Peasant, Mini Peasant for 6-7 mounth. And now I have an era of slip-joints for about 2 years, and I'm happy :)
But I must say these 11 years of darkness was only because there are almost no slip-joints in our area exept Victorinox and Wenger. Discovering bladeforums with all those traditionals was like discovering the whole new world. Now I have only 1 one-handed folder — CS Counter Point 1 in AUS8. That's a great knife after all and the only one I recommend to humans who wants one-handed folder.

Back to business.
Slip-joints are great and unique — they're something between non-locking and lockings knifes. With first ones you always need to control and hold the blade, and with the last ones you never know when this shaitan-mechanism will cut your finger off. The locking knifes often gives you the false feeling of indestructibility. With slip-joint you control the situation and you feel the limits. After all slip-joints raises the level caution in you.
Locks on the locking folders are wearing off with time and they begin to rattle. But I can see many 10-20-30-40 years old slip-joints that weared off but have no rattle.
And they are nice :)
 
Sometimes you will have (maybe younger) folks talk about the Traditional Forum as "a bunch of old guys admiring their stag handles" or hear people in this forum speaking of "nostalgia" or "a simpler time". Thing is, I just think traditionals are better knives.

I'm an old guy now... I love a stag handle... And I think all the talk of the feelings traditional knives invoke is true. I've spoken of the gestalt of traditionals. Often defined as a whole perceived as greater than the sum of it's parts, gestalt actually means other than the sum of it's parts. Once the mind forms the percept it has a separate reality of it's own. A powerful concept actually.

All that's a big part of it for me too. But mostly I just like using traditional knives more. They are a better tool for me. I'm left handed, so I'll often switch hands on a OHO knife after opening it if I'm going to use it for more than a quick cut or two... Traditionals are much more comfortable in my hand... They do often have thinner blades... They are also usually from a fine grained steel, which is the type of steel I gravitate to.

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Another biggie is the non-threatening appearance, although that's partially due to the feelings they invoke. Traditionals often spark conversation and admiration instead of wariness.

But bottom line, they're just better knives for what I usually use a knife for.

I am a maverick here in that I would like to see more modern features on trads. But that is limited to materials and fasteners and such for me and not design. No clips or one-hand-opening for me. The design is just fine thank you very much.
 
They just work for me. I grew up with one since age 5 and I generally don't need a tactical folder much or either of my fine Old Timer fixed blades I had since the 1980's.
As some else said the variety of patterns , number of blades and Scales that insure I will need 2 more next month.
 
There was a time when every man in England, America and the rest of Europe for that matter carried a pocket knife. Until very recently in fact every man from office clerk to farm labourer carried a folding knife of one form or another. There’s was the refinement of a tradition leading back hundreds if not thousands of years of the small fixed blade; used for minor cutting tasks, food preparation and eating etc. For the farm labourer the spay blade of his stockman would be used for its intended purpose and its drop-point for the eating of an apple within the same half an hour, with little more than a quick rinse in the horse trough between. In his book The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists Robert Noonan describes how his chief protagonist and socialist Frank Owen urges his workmates to produce their pocket knives, and uses them as a metaphor by which to explain the capitalist system under which they are the victims. The knives are the ‘machine’ by which the bread is divided and the capitalist ‘money trick’ is performed. Every man amongst the bedraggled workforce produces his knife, though at this time (around 1910) and as the book graphically describes, God knows they had very little else. The folding knife was an essential, useful and highly valued item for the working man.

And so the same knife, used for the sharpening of a pencil and the cutting of a bit of bread and cheese at lunchtime, stayed in the pocket of the average working man during his leisure. Perhaps whilst fishing his folder would be there for trimming the line and cleaning the catch, or gutting the odd rabbit as a welcome treat for dinner. By the fireside in the evening it might have been used to whittle a small doll or toy as a present for one of the children. I have been lucky enough to have inherited my Grandfather’s pocket knife which he got from his father, as well as those belonging to both of my Great Uncles and, for me with a proud working class history, these knives are full of such wonderful connotations.

There is something else, also, in owning a traditional slip-joint, particularly an inherited one. For most of us our distant ancestry is as hunter, gatherer tribe’s people. As such a knife or a blade would have had two main functions: as a means to prepare food and as a weapon. Such things, when handed down, would have taken on distinct talismanic qualities; providing a strong and powerful link to the past, a grounding in the present as well as faith and direction for the future. The story of The Sword in the Stone is a good example of how such notions still pertain to us in modern times.

Some might say it is ridiculous to imagine that there might be anything genetic in our appreciation and desire for a good knife. But when you consider that once upon a time a fire and a decent cutting edge were our most vital and valued tools, the control of which enabled us ultimately to survive as independent human beings, it becomes quite understandable to think that, somehow, some of that appreciation still resides instinctively within us. As when one feels the pull of that first fish of the season and something indescribable and almost primeval is also felt pulling on the line, something from our distant past which I have come to believe pertains to the ancient hunter/survivor in us, so it is when we take up our traditional slip-joints. When my Great Grandad and my Great Uncles chose there knives they did so on the basis of build quality, fitness for purpose and value for money, for me they got it right and I personally feel no desire to reinvent the wheel on that one. To go over to anything other than a traditional pattern would feel like breaking with the traditions and the history that I find so pleasing. Every time I use my slip-joint I connect with something important and basic, and it feels good.

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Slip joints remind me of my grandfather who's been gone about 15 years now. He always had an Old Timer stockman and I remember him using it regularly. I appreciate the thousands of variations in pattern/blade configuration and cover material. Passing them on to your Kids, friends or anyone who means a lot to you is something that appeals to me. I carry a fixed blade and modern folder at work daily as well as one traditional. The modern is purely a tool and Everybody is given one. It's often used as a pry bar, screw driver or any other way knives were not meant to be used mostly when guys are in a pinch and a toolbox can't be carried.The fixed blade is for big jobs or emergencies and is often mandatory and spends most of its time in the sheath. The slip joint is my personal knife, it's used for all the smaller cutting jobs, skinning and cleaning game and most all the time for cutting food in the outdoors or on the water instead of using plastic utensils. of the three the slip joint is my preference unless safety is an issue.
 
Blake that was a fantastic post! Very well said :thumbup:

My grandfather's pocket knife (b.1912 - d.1987). Obviously carried for many years.
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Blake that was a fantastic post! Very well said :thumbup:

My grandfather's pocket knife (b.1912 - d.1987). Obviously carried for many years.
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Thanks a lot ranchman. That's a lovely old relic you have there, it's great that you have it. My Grandad's one (first of my pictures) has a piece missing from the handle on the other side just like yours, all part of it's history. I think silentstudio asks a simple question that cuts right to the heart of why we're all here on the porch. :thumbup:
 
Just echoing what many of you have already said, but here goes:

I like to carry a knife with me for work (opening packages, breaking down boxes, occasionally some tougher tasks), and just about any old knife will do when it comes to the day-to-day tasks. Up until very recently I carried modern folders. I remember reading something either on here on some knife review site about slipjoints forcing one to 'slow down' their day-to-day actions; you need to pause, use both hands, confidently open your blade, and then perform whatever task you needed done. I like the act reaching into my pocket to find my knife, standing up straight, breathing in, and then opening it. This may be my only form of meditation!

A slipjoint knife is a classic tool. Whether it was made 50 years ago or in the last month, there's something that's just right about a traditionally styled pocket knife. I also consider myself to be a collector, although I tend to collect stuff that I will also use. The often limited production numbers and unique handle materials of many traditional slipjoints make for an excellent collectible. I have some fond memories tied to knives, and it's exciting to think that there are many more in store as my humble collection grows with me.

- T
 
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Just echoing what many of you have already said, but here goes:

I like to carry a knife with me for work (opening packages, breaking down boxes, occasionally some tougher tasks), and just about any old knife will do when it comes to the day-to-day tasks. Up until very recently I carried modern folders. I remember reading something either on here on some knife review site about slipjoints forcing one to 'slow down' their day-to-day actions; you need to pause, use both hands, confidently open your blade, and then perform whatever task you needed done. I like the act reaching into my pocket to find my knife, standing up straight, breathing in, and then opening it. This may be my only form of meditation!

A slipjoint knife is a classic tool. Whether it was made 50 years ago or in the last month, there's something that's just right about a traditionally styled pocket knife. I also consider myself to be a collector, although I tend to collect stuff that I will also use. The often limited production numbers and unique handle materials of many traditional slipjoints make for an excellent collectible. I have some fond memories tied to knives, and it's exciting to think that there are many more in store as my humble collection grows with me.

- T

It's great that you're enjoying the whole traditional knife/slipjoint experience spycycle, and you're right there's much to be enjoyed. :thumbup:
 
Slip joints remind me of my grandfather who's been gone about 15 years now. He always had an Old Timer stockman and I remember him using it regularly. I appreciate the thousands of variations in pattern/blade configuration and cover material. Passing them on to your Kids, friends or anyone who means a lot to you is something that appeals to me. I carry a fixed blade and modern folder at work daily as well as one traditional. The modern is purely a tool and Everybody is given one. It's often used as a pry bar, screw driver or any other way knives were not meant to be used mostly when guys are in a pinch and a toolbox can't be carried.The fixed blade is for big jobs or emergencies and is often mandatory and spends most of its time in the sheath. The slip joint is my personal knife, it's used for all the smaller cutting jobs, skinning and cleaning game and most all the time for cutting food in the outdoors or on the water instead of using plastic utensils. of the three the slip joint is my preference unless safety is an issue.

Good job StoneBeard. Sounds like you're you're using a variety of knives, traditional and modern, for all the right reasons. It's great that you appreciate the slipjoint as your 'personal' knife and use it as you do. :thumbup:
 
The short answer is: because of this forum.

Of course, I had slip joints as a kid,a scout knife, and at least a couple of the steel Camillus demonstration knife. But there was nobody in my family who carried a knife, and once I got into high school, I had no reason to carry a knife. I didn't start to carry one until I picked up a Hippekniep in Amsterdam in 1970 on a backpacking trip around Europe. It was (and still is) a slip joint, but I gave that no thought.

Then I began to buy SAKs and Opinels to carry on my motorcycles. I never gave any thought to the mechanism, I carried them primarily because they were useful. Incidentally, they were attractive objects, but mostly, they were handy and useful. I picked up a few interesting knives along the way, mostly for artistic reasons, but a couple of them became very useful. I had a Schrade stockman, too, probably cheap Chinese from the fit and finish, but it worked for me, i.e., it cut stuff.

By the time I received my first one-handed opener as a gift, I was well into my fifties. One thing led to ano there, and I had a few Benchmades, a few Kershaws, and, because inexpensive things appeal to me, a few Condors and a few Moras. Wanting to learn more about these cheap and excellent knives, as well as Opinels, I found my way to BF and the traditional forum. Here I learned that my Hippekniep was also known as a sodbuster, so I bought a couple of Case sodbusters. For the first time, I also encountered "slip joint" as applied to a knife. To me, these had always been "jackknives". I didn't disdain them, but they didn't particularly interest me. Somewhere along the line, I had heard about GEC, looked at their site and thought," gee, those are nice, but it's kind of a lot of dough for a jackknife, and besides, they seem to be always sold out".

Reading this forum began to kindle my interest in traditional slip joints, and then I discovered Rough Rider, cheap knives that worked well, were pretty well made, looked good, and could be had with the click of a button, no waiting. So now I have a bunch of inexpensive slip joints that work well, are pretty well made, and look good. What's not to like?
 
Good job StoneBeard. Sounds like you're you're using a variety of knives, traditional and modern, for all the right reasons. It's great that you appreciate the slipjoint as your 'personal' knife and use it as you do. :thumbup:

Thank you Blake. I very much enjoyed your post as it echoes many of the personal attachments and bonds that folks have connected with the various knives they use for both business and leisure. It's really awesome that you were able to inherit a knife used by both your Grandfather and Great Grandfather as well as those of your Great Uncles!
 
Another reason to like slipjoints is to appreciate where your modern folder stems from, because it is after all a folding knife.

If someone was to make a note every time they used their modern tactical folder ( what they cut and under what circumstances ) , they'd probably realize that most situations didn't require supersonic deployment and closing or even a locking blade ( sometimes the feel of a lockback is just nice though, and if you don't actually need a locking blade than it'll never have a chance to fail)
Once they realized this they may be more apt to give a traditional slipjoint a try, they'd also realize that a slipjoint can be a perfectly adequate edc cutting tool.

I may not have done a good before of explaining why I like slipjoints. maybe it's because there's actually no particular reason why, other than the fact that I just like knives and prefer them simple in design.
Luckily people's sodbuster Jr tales here on the porch made me want to carry mine ( I just couldn't bring myself to give my buck 482 a rest )
Otherwise I probably wouldn't have any appreciation for slipjoints as edc cutting tools.
 
If someone was to make a note every time they used their modern tactical folder ( what they cut and under what circumstances ) , they'd probably realize that most situations didn't require supersonic deployment and closing or even a locking blade ( sometimes the feel of a lockback is just nice though, and if you don't actually need a locking blade than it'll never have a chance to fail)
Once they realized this they may be more apt to give a traditional slipjoint a try, they'd also realize that a slipjoint can be a perfectly adequate edc cutting tool.

I actually did the "experiment" twice. Once with a Case peanut, and didn't carry anything else for the whole time. It was fine. The other time I did the 'experiment' was with a Victorinox classic. For a month I made it a point to use the tiny Vic classic for anything I needed to cut. I found that the classic did fine as well. The most often use I have for a knife is, opening the plastic blister packages, followed by plastic wrapped stuff. Cutting jute twine for the tomato plants is done often, and opening mail and UPS boxes. Plastic 50 pound bags of mulch only take a small blade to open.

At no time did I need a quick draw with my knife, and for most things an inch or two of sharp blade was enough. Food use was the only big fail of the small knife, as it won't reach through a loaf of French bread, or slice ham well for a sandwich. But if I'm in the kitchen, I have kitchen knives around.
 
I actually did the "experiment" twice. Once with a Case peanut, and didn't carry anything else for the whole time. It was fine. The other time I did the 'experiment' was with a Victorinox classic. For a month I made it a point to use the tiny Vic classic for anything I needed to cut. I found that the classic did fine as well. The most often use I have for a knife is, opening the plastic blister packages, followed by plastic wrapped stuff. Cutting jute twine for the tomato plants is done often, and opening mail and UPS boxes. Plastic 50 pound bags of mulch only take a small blade to open.

At no time did I need a quick draw with my knife, and for most things an inch or two of sharp blade was enough. Food use was the only big fail of the small knife, as it won't reach through a loaf of French bread, or slice ham well for a sandwich. But if I'm in the kitchen, I have kitchen knives around.

That's why I love my neck knife so much, because it's 1" blade is enough for all of my quick tasks . it's more convenient not to have to spend more time drawing my knife than it does to make 1 quick cut on a price of tape or string , but for any serious cutting task I probably need to think about what I'm doing first so I like the extra time it takes.
 
Extremely well said, i agree on everything!!!

There was a time when every man in England, America and the rest of Europe for that matter carried a pocket knife. Until very recently in fact every man from office clerk to farm labourer carried a folding knife of one form or another. There’s was the refinement of a tradition leading back hundreds if not thousands of years of the small fixed blade; used for minor cutting tasks, food preparation and eating etc. For the farm labourer the spay blade of his stockman would be used for its intended purpose and its drop-point for the eating of an apple within the same half an hour, with little more than a quick rinse in the horse trough between. In his book The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists Robert Noonan describes how his chief protagonist and socialist Frank Owen urges his workmates to produce their pocket knives, and uses them as a metaphor by which to explain the capitalist system under which they are the victims. The knives are the ‘machine’ by which the bread is divided and the capitalist ‘money trick’ is performed. Every man amongst the bedraggled workforce produces his knife, though at this time (around 1910) and as the book graphically describes, God knows they had very little else. The folding knife was an essential, useful and highly valued item for the working man.

And so the same knife, used for the sharpening of a pencil and the cutting of a bit of bread and cheese at lunchtime, stayed in the pocket of the average working man during his leisure. Perhaps whilst fishing his folder would be there for trimming the line and cleaning the catch, or gutting the odd rabbit as a welcome treat for dinner. By the fireside in the evening it might have been used to whittle a small doll or toy as a present for one of the children. I have been lucky enough to have inherited my Grandfather’s pocket knife which he got from his father, as well as those belonging to both of my Great Uncles and, for me with a proud working class history, these knives are full of such wonderful connotations.

There is something else, also, in owning a traditional slip-joint, particularly an inherited one. For most of us our distant ancestry is as hunter, gatherer tribe’s people. As such a knife or a blade would have had two main functions: as a means to prepare food and as a weapon. Such things, when handed down, would have taken on distinct talismanic qualities; providing a strong and powerful link to the past, a grounding in the present as well as faith and direction for the future. The story of The Sword in the Stone is a good example of how such notions still pertain to us in modern times.

Some might say it is ridiculous to imagine that there might be anything genetic in our appreciation and desire for a good knife. But when you consider that once upon a time a fire and a decent cutting edge were our most vital and valued tools, the control of which enabled us ultimately to survive as independent human beings, it becomes quite understandable to think that, somehow, some of that appreciation still resides instinctively within us. As when one feels the pull of that first fish of the season and something indescribable and almost primeval is also felt pulling on the line, something from our distant past which I have come to believe pertains to the ancient hunter/survivor in us, so it is when we take up our traditional slip-joints. When my Great Grandad and my Great Uncles chose there knives they did so on the basis of build quality, fitness for purpose and value for money, for me they got it right and I personally feel no desire to reinvent the wheel on that one. To go over to anything other than a traditional pattern would feel like breaking with the traditions and the history that I find so pleasing. Every time I use my slip-joint I connect with something both important yet basic, and it feels good.
 
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