Why does Case get a pass on "surgical steel?"

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John L Smith said:
Have you used the delica? You think the case is superior in terms of blade geometry? Dont know about THAT.
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I own a Delica and an Endura; both in VG-10 and FRN. So, yeah, I've used a Delica. It is one of the standards I use to compare a modern knife to in terms of size and function. I generally recommend them. I prefer a Native 5 and that costs a lot more than the Delica.
 
22-rimfire said:
I own a Delica and an Endura; both in VG-10 and FRN. So, yeah, I've used a Delica. It is one of the standards I use to compare a modern knife to in terms of size and function. I generally recommend them. I prefer a Native 5 and that costs a lot more than the Delica.
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Absolutely. But both spidey's have superior blade geometry to case, I think you would agree.
 
What about steels above vg10. What value do you place on S90V? In other words where is the cutoff point? Is this Spyderco at 120 a good, or better value than the Delica in vg10? You can continue it on and on, IMO.

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Boxer .45 said:
Depends on use.
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I don't think farmers use them to neuter livestock anymore, but then again who knows?

Sorry if this is off topic. After coming across quite a few vintage slip joints recently. I've been wondering how you tell the good ones from the bad? Is there particular features a quality knife will have that others don't?
 
Nope.... if they are so superior, why do I choose to carry a Vic Small Tinker (~3.3" closed) which had two blades or a Case Peanut which also has two blades. I don't see Spyderco's as superior at all. Again, it is a case of Apples and Oranges in the knife world. And, no I don't see a lot of better value with the Delica vs the Case or Vic knife. To some, the blade on the Delica looks kind of funky.
 
John L Smith said:
I see. You think the case trapper is superior to the delica in terms of blade geometry? Really?
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Sure, if I need something that has a rounded point with a skinny (vertically), thin (thickness) blade. The Case Trapper you can pick up for 30 dollars has MUCH better blade geometry and shape for, say, skinning stuff a rabbit or opening a deer than that delica does.
 
cbrstar said:
I don't think farmers use them to neuter livestock anymore, but then again who knows?

Sorry if this is off topic. After coming across quite a few vintage slip joints recently. I've been wondering how you tell the good ones from the bad? Is there particular features a quality knife will have that others don't?
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A lot of ranchers use trappers, stockmen, or specially made knives for the cutting. Pretty much anything that has a 1-4 inches of dead straight razor sharp steel and little to no point.
 
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22-rimfire said:
As Jill said, it is an apples and oranges comparison. I don't really consider most modern knives superior to a good slip joint. They're just different.

The Trapper pattern is very popular by the way and probably the biggest seller. Boker makes a modern knife that they call the "Urban Trapper" and I own one. It's even in VG-10..... ;)
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Have its little brother. Do you think there is a reason boker didnt use 420hc, but went with vg 10? I imagine it's because they view it as a better steel. And at around 70, its another knife you could have instead of paying 70 for the case. Which really makes my point even better. If boker can drop one in vg 10 for 70, how does case justify one in 420hc for the same price.
 
22-rimfire said:
It boils down to some folks like modern knives and some like traditional knives. I like both myself and I like to use both. Again, it's apples and oranges, peas and carrots discussion on the value merits. I think Rough Ryder makes a pretty good slip joint knife overall and they use 440A. Cost is generally sub $20 and they are made in China for SMKW.
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Ok. But let's say you can choose one knife to carry and you don't have a convenient way to sharpen it during the day. Would you choose 420 over vg10?
 
John L Smith said:
We are comparing value of a knife to what you paid for it.
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Last I checked the topic was...

"We all crap all over every company that advertises that they use "surgical steel." Yet Case, which is highly regarded touts their Tru-Sharp Surgical Steel, and we all go along with it. Do they get some kind of special dispensation? Or do people hate on Case also and I'm just unaware of it? Assuming they do get apass... why? Is case just too much of a sacred cow to butcher? Do we actually know kind of steel the "Tru-Sharp Surgical Steel" is?"
 
I frankly wasn't very impressed with edge retention on my Boker Urban Trapper. It may well be a China versus Japanese made thing.... don't know really. Buck does some great things with 420HC. But I generally am not a Buck user.
 
jill jackson said:
What about steels above vg10. What value do you place on S90V? In other words where is the cutoff point? Is this Spyderco at 120 a good, or better value than the Delica in vg10? You can continue it on and on, IMO.
Yes and no. I wouldn't get zdp189. It's too hard. So there actually is a limit
And when you consider that the 420 and the vg10 cost roughly the same, no one will argue that 420 is superior. So get the superior materials for the same price, and that's the better value.
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marcinek said:
As far as locking, yes. Because slipjoints don't lock.

You know, a cast iron skillet makes a better frying pan than a vg10 delica.
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What? We are talking value for your buck. If case made a trapper in vg10, and charged the same as for 420, which would you buy? Why? Exactly.
 
This thread appears to me to be going sideways and getting a bit testy and personal. :( If I'm correct, please get back to the basics and open another thread for a separate discussion. :rolleyes:
 
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