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Why don't more companies use 3G/SG2/SGPS in their knives?

Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by Azraelsblade, Sep 21, 2017.

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  1. Azraelsblade

    Azraelsblade

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    May 21, 2014
    Pretty much what the title says. It/they seem like a good steel family so why is this not being utilized beyond what Fallkniven produces?
     
  2. hhmoore

    hhmoore Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 7, 2014
  3. Azraelsblade

    Azraelsblade

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    May 21, 2014
    I am familiar with the knife steel app, as well. I know that part. However your input does not help answer the main question.
     
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  4. SpySmasher

    SpySmasher Lead Guitar

    Sep 1, 2016
    Interesting and informative post. Thanks.
     
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  5. The_Iron_Joe

    The_Iron_Joe Knifemaker, Jeweller Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    804
    May 3, 2012
    I've been asked to make knives using this steel in the past, but I've also had trouble getting any from secondary sources.
     
  6. hhmoore

    hhmoore Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    When the other knife companies respond to my email about why they aren't using this steel, I'll be sure to let you know. :thumbsup:
     
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  7. marcinek

    marcinek

    Jan 9, 2007
    And we were supposed to know that how, exactly?

    @hhmoore 's reply was very informative...but if you knew that stuff already you could have said it at the outset instead of being rude after someone tried to help you. :thumbsdown:
     
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  8. palonej

    palonej Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Aug 5, 2015
    Hell of a way to begin your stay on a new forum.
    Set some more explicit parameters or do your own research.
     
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  9. hhmoore

    hhmoore Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 7, 2014
    One thing I didn't make clear (posting for those who don't care to follow the links, or might miss the information), the statements in parentheses were quoted from the pages for the steels referenced.
    Also, the page for SG2 indicates that it is used by Fallkniven, Shun, and a few other makers
    Kobelco and Tafeku are both in Japan, which could be part of why this steel is not more widely used. That is, of course, speculation on my part...and probably not truly helpful in this thread; so I'll exit, thinking happy thoughts.
     
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  10. Danke42

    Danke42

    Feb 10, 2015
    It's also like a decade old super steel.

    Knife life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and cut something once in a while you could miss it.
     
  11. The Mastiff

    The Mastiff

    Apr 21, 2006
    *edit*
     
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  12. Beansandcarrots

    Beansandcarrots KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    422
    Apr 15, 2014
    They're not more widely used because there is no excitement or buzz surrounding them. There are a ton of great steels, so that factor simply isn't enough.

    "Brand" recognition is still present with steels.

    A knife in 3G isn't as exciting as a knife in Maxamet, or the CPM SXXV series--particularly the higher ones, etc.

    Good a steel as it may be, 3G does not add value to the product
     
  13. The_Iron_Joe

    The_Iron_Joe Knifemaker, Jeweller Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    804
    May 3, 2012
    Maybe not with the EDC crowd, but kitchen guys (chefs or otherwise) seem to really like the steel.
     
  14. jc57

    jc57 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 28, 2012
    SG2 is used a lot in production kitchen knives as the next step up from VG10. I have three kitchen knives with SG2 cores.
     
  15. KenHash

    KenHash Gold Member Gold Member

    Sep 11, 2014
    3G is actually Fallkniven's own name for a VG2/SG2/VG2 laminate with the SG2 at the core. Hence "3G".
    They also offer what they call Laminated SPGS which is the same but with 420j sides.
    I'm not sure if Takefu is even exporting R2/SG2 as they only recently started exporting VG10. If so that would certainly contribute to it's not being used by many makers. In the cooking knife world R2/SG2 is very popular as a high end powder steel.
     
  16. Beansandcarrots

    Beansandcarrots KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    422
    Apr 15, 2014
    Good call, yeah I meant with the folders guys. It does appear to be exceedigly popular in the kitchen. I hear a ton of love for SG2 on kitchenknifeforums etc
     
  17. A.L.

    A.L.

    Jun 27, 2007
    Probably that there are equal or better steels for more affordable price and that are better available for the knife compabies? Lot's of reasona there.
     
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  18. Comeuppance

    Comeuppance Fixed Blade EDC Emisssary Gold Member

    Jan 12, 2013
    Looks like regular ol' economics to me. SG2 has never been widely available at a good price, and including one in a production knife means raising the production cost of the knife - and, thus, the final cost of the product. Just try to convince a company to switch to a relatively unknown and low-demand steel and then make an expensive product out of it. It's just bad business. Knife companies want to sell you knives, and they have to strike a balance between their production costs and what they can charge consumers.

    Aside from that, powder metallurgy has blown most of the older super steels out of the water. You want a ridiculous steel? Spyderco can get you Maxamet for $150. If you want them to do SG2, you'll probably pay considerably more and get an arguably inferior steel.
     
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  19. The Mastiff

    The Mastiff

    Apr 21, 2006
    I have had a bunch of SG2 knives from Kershaw and Falkniven. It's a decent enough stainless that sharpened well that was somewhere around Elmax in wear resistance, maybe a bit less than S30V but IMO the grind would make a bigger difference than the steels composition between them. It did seem to have a nice grain and was pretty easy to sharpen. I believe Falkniven stated the hardness to be rc 62. Kershaw never said what they ran it at. I thought it a decent steel but nothing very different from S30V or Elmax when it comes to use.

    Joe
     
  20. Balls Deep

    Balls Deep

    342
    Jan 2, 2014
    I had a shun elite I believe it was in sg2 and I was pretty unimpressed with the knife. It was probably grind issues. I won the knife so it didn't cost me anything but there was nothing abou the knife that stood out as more impressive than anything else on the market. Maybe other knives have a better
     
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