Why don't more models use the compresion lock?

nccole said:
He confirmed a compression lock Sage?
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I read this somewhere as well, although it may have just been conjecture. There was mention of a Sage 5 and 6, one being the comp lock, and I can't remember the other.

I don't think it would be Sal tooting his own horn though, a lot of people love the comp lock. I wonder whether we will one day see an Axis lock Sage, or if Cold Steel loosened its death grip, a Triad lock Sage. Can't see that happening though.
 
The Deacon said:
Can I ask where?
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Why you yourself posted it

*Now I didn't say "Sal said the Sage 5 would be a comp. lock", but according to December's spyderbite both a comp lock and a CBBL are planned (along with some other non-spyderco-proprietary locks as well). Note the S5 almost certainly won't be it, as Sal made a comment in that thread-
Sal Glesser said:
We have a Sage 5 in-the-works. Very complicated lock so it's taking more time.
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And I'm guessing their CL isn't too overly complicated so that's probably not it. Hopefully we can get that CL sage within the next year or so, really looking forward to that one and expanding my Sage collection.
 
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Twindog said:
Try to open and close your compression lock 10 times, and then I'll show you how much faster and easier that I can open and close my axis lock 10 times.
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That's useless and silly. Who cares and why does it matter how quickly one can repeatedly open and close a blade?
 
jstn said:
I read this somewhere as well, although it may have just been conjecture. There was mention of a Sage 5 and 6, one being the comp lock, and I can't remember the other.

I don't think it would be Sal tooting his own horn though, a lot of people love the comp lock. I wonder whether we will one day see an Axis lock Sage, or if Cold Steel loosened its death grip, a Triad lock Sage. Can't see that happening though.
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I love the idea of the Tri-Ad lock and have a few CS with it. The issue I have with it, is that it is loud. My American Lawman has made my dog jump it click so loud. The compression lock on my PM2 is extremely quite. I also have a Tuff-Lite and is is as quiet as any back lock I have.
 
nccole said:
He invented the compression lock. The Sage series honors fellow inventors in the knife industry. There has been speculation that Sal would not do a CL Sage as that would be "tooting his own horn"
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This is exactly what I was going to say. I remember reading a comment by Sal that was almost those exact words. The Sage series is to honor lock inventors, and he thought it would be arrogant to make a knife honoring himself.
 
Screwdriver said:
Many people do....and why is it silly?
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Because that is worry bead territory rather than using a knife.

Which is fine if that's your thing, but it isn't really a valid "knife lock criticism" if it doesn't make the best worry bead.
 
I love the Compression lock on the Para 2. I hate it on the Szabo. It pinches my hand when the blade locks open.
 
Hehlol said:
That's useless and silly. Who cares and why does it matter how quickly one can repeatedly open and close a blade?
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Fair enough. But the OP was asking why the compression lock -- which I love -- is not more popular. My opinion, in response to that question, was that the compression lock is not as easy to open and close with one hand as other locks, such as the axis lock. I use the compression lock every single day. The Spyderco Super Hawk is my desk knife. It's an awesome desk knife. The axis lock, which I use most often as the Rukus in my EDC rotation, is easier to open and close. Mostly easier to close.

You may disagree, but that was just my take in response to the OP. To open and close my Super Hawk and my Rukus 10 times really shows that difference. Some people see the compression lock as just as easy or easier to open and close as the axis or other locks. I don't get that, but we're all different.

One of my favorite knives is the ATR. It's very easy to open and close -- easier than my Super Hawk. But the axis lock is still easier and I think the market recognizes that.

But I really appreciate the variety available to me. The compression lock is brilliant. So is Sal.
 
While the compression lock is easy to use and plenty secure it is in exactly the wrong place for a user. Use the knife hard and it is really hard on the hand. It is close to the point of max pressure and irregular enough to be quite irritating. That is the place a knife should be as smooth as possible.

Having said that, for most general use or just fondling the thing, who cares. ..
 
My only example of the compression lock is the PM2 - and I've adapted to it quite well. I have lots of AXIS lock BM's, however. I learn the knife's nuances - it doesn't have to accommodate mine. There was a time when I thought a lockback, a la the infamous Buck 110 or Spydie Natives, was 'it'. Such a time has yet to come re my Spydie CF Dodo, whose ball lock is 'interesting'. Oddly, I love that little ugo of a knife!

Stainz
 
Screwdriver said:
Many people do....and why is it silly?
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Because it's a senseless barometer of measuring anything. An Axis lock lets you easily flip the knife open and close effortlessly, so that makes it a good lock? No, I would argue what makes it a good lock is that it's strong, easy to use and ambidextrous, not the fact I can sit at my keyboard and flip it open and closed repeatedly. Basically opening and closing it back and forth is playing with your knife, who cares about playing with it? I want to know the lock does what it's supposed to do, which is keep the blade open until I close it.
 
AF said:
I love the Compression lock on the Para 2. I hate it on the Szabo. It pinches my hand when the blade locks open.
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I concur, thats why I didn't buy a szabo. That and the detent is terribly strong.
 
Hehlol said:
Because it's a senseless barometer of measuring anything. An Axis lock lets you easily flip the knife open and close effortlessly, so that makes it a good lock? No, I would argue what makes it a good lock is that it's strong, easy to use and ambidextrous, not the fact I can sit at my keyboard and flip it open and closed repeatedly. Basically opening and closing it back and forth is playing with your knife, who cares about playing with it? I want to know the lock does what it's supposed to do, which is keep the blade open until I close it.
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Cutting a shit load of cardboard to test the edge for no reason is playing with your knife. Lock, edge, ease of opening....flipping......are all parts of why people like a knife. Giving people grief for what they use a knife for, or liking a knife is funny.
 
Well, I'd like my locks to be fin to play w and strong if possible.

Love the comp lock on my pm2. Broke in after a few days and now smooth as butter. I have no issues manipulating it but it is more awkward for lefties.

Love the axis on my bone collector. Was buttery smooth after one night of fondling. I head the omega springs are possible to break tho but as mine hasn't no issues yet. The axis is just a pleasure to manipulate but doesn't seem quite as strong as the comp or bb locks spydies have. I could b wrong tho.

Love the cbb lock on my manix. Not quite as smooth as the axis but feels sturdier and no omega spring. Broke on slowly, but has gotten pretty smooth. I'd like to see more of these too along w comps. Of course if there was a spyderco benchmade collabo my head might explode and my bank account would surely empty so it may be for the best that there isn't.

However my all time favorite lock is the g&g hawk lock on my kershaw ram. I don't think it exists elsewhere...for shame. Please someone tell me I'm wrong about that! And the knife that has it!
 
why don't they use it more often? because there's a south paw sitting somewhere near the head of the production table. or maybe i'm just hoping there is.

the compression lock is ok for my left-handedness, but it's not great.
 
Insipid Moniker said:
I've honestly had examples of both locks come that smooth out of the box, others not so much. My Para 2 and Benchmade Bedlam both just drop when the lock releases and have since I got them. My 710 took quite some time to get there and my Superleaf always needed just a bit of wrist action to close it without touching the blade.
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My full size griptilian and my pm2 both took a little tweaking to get perfect. My mini grip though. Wow. Always been crazy smooth! But the para 2 now outdoes everything in smoothness.
 
Maybe its a coordination deficiency of mine, but I m right handed and I think the compression lock is easier to close in my left hand. Actually I m just kidding about the coordination problem. I think the comp lock is easy to close right handed, just not as easy as the left handed thumb pinch.
 
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