Why dont survival/outdoors threads deal with critters very much?

Guys, help me out here. I seem to sense a reluctance to use permethrin in both your posts. Any particular reasons?
I don't think either of us said anything like that. I'm going to use permethrin this year, even though I normally don't need it, and ROCK6 apparently treats his clothes this time of year, because the bugs are about to get bad.
I'm about to go get some right now, since I found out the local Tractor Supply Co. should have the 10%. More cost effective to order the 38% online, but I don't need enough for it to matter much. I'm just going to mix a couple gallons to soak a few clothing items in, and then spray it around the house to be rid of the excess. $18 will get me enough to do that once yearly for 4 years...
 
Hey OwenM, I know you didn't say it, I just thought I sensed a bit of reluctance - internet ambiguity! :D.

Thanks for the reply.

Doc
 
Ticks are always an issue up here in CT, I don't care what season it is. I use Permethrin on most of my outdoor clothes but sometimes I am out with untreated clothes. I'm in the habit of checking my dog as best as I can, washing my clothes and taking a shower as soon as I return from the outdoors. I also have my wife check those hard to see places.

I have pulled countless ticks off me and my dogs, but have been lucky so far. "Medical professionals" say that the tick needs to be engorged and on you for a 24 hour period to transmit disease. Towns here in CT have health depts. that you can send an engorged Dear Tick in to be tested for disease. I have done that once, but also called my Doc to get the antibiotics before getting the news that they were positive for Lyme.

That said, black flies, and mosquitoes are my biggest foes in the summer time, them bastards love me.

On overnights you can find me swinging in my hammock, but on the rare occasion I am sleeping out in the open, it will be close to a very smokey fire...
 
Thanks GS. As to the shower, I'm assuming the force of the shower will flush the non-attached ticks off, without problem???? How about if they are already attached and feeding???

Their hypostomes are a clever bit of business - like a harpoon!

Doc
 
I'm not sure GP, I just realized that my dog sometimes would roll in deer urine when out. So when I got home I would give him a bath and would notice a tick or three fall off him... So I figured that would work for me as well, besides I feel better when I wash all the sweat and deet off my body.. :)
 
Hey OwenM, I know you didn't say it, I just thought I sensed a bit of reluctance - internet ambiguity! :D
Well, I went and got it, and am going to use it, but NOW I have to admit a tiny bit of reluctance. I'm such a stickler for the proper laundering and care of my most-loved "performance wear" products...it does kind of go against the grain to take my favorite stuff, and soak it in a chemical. I'll do it, though. Those ticks won't get me this year!:D
 
Being from the North of Timmins, Ontario the 'skitters were so big they picked you up and brought you home. Ok, well, they were bad. So we adapted. When I was a little kid the mothers greased up bare parts with vaseline and put panty hose legs over their heads. Well hopefully a leg part. Everybody came in before dusk when the mosqitoes peaked. As I got older you wore bug jackets.
~~ And that was the ticket. I can't emphasize their outdoor necessity enough. 2 jackets will fit in a freezer bag which is regularly infused with a squirt of deet based repellant. That will give you a few benefits, one being the conservation of your repelllent, and to me the best part is I don't like it on my skin (and I don't want it on my children's), it's on the bug screen jacket. And instead of the little buggers putting out that high pitch a couple of inches from you, they are a few inches away from the hood, (which pulls over inches away from your face), and that will make sitting around and enjoying the campfire that much more pleasant. I guess their only disadvantages are the screen being over your face, but when just sitting around you can kind of make a tunnel out of the face/hood part and have clear, (tunnel), vision, they won't fly in and when they get close you just blown them out. Other than that you can't really hike in denser woods or you'll get snagged...but I'll tell you, imperative in a canoe or other slow travelling water vessel. By the way, if it's sandy in your camp area spray your camp screens, or the sandflies will waltz right through.
Hope that helps makes your wilderness trips that much better.
--J
 
Guys, help me out here. I seem to sense a reluctance to use permethrin in both your posts. Any particular reasons?

Doc

Sorry for the late response Doc. I think Owen hit it; not really reluctance, but just the effort (which is worth it). When I treat my outdoors clothing, I just have to make sure how often I launder it and make sure it's set aside most of the time other than when outdoors in the bush. Not to mention, I have to figure out what the wife plans on wearing and what the kids will be wearing (if my son doesn't out-grow it). It's nice that once treated your clothing should easily get you through a full summer and a half-dozen washes or so.

Too bad permethrin is not available in Canada for civilian use...the Canadian Army used it in Afghanistan along with us. It's the most effective chemical method I've used and doesn't melt plastics or rubber like DEET. I still carry a small pump of DEET, but typically avoid using it and if the mosquitos are really bad, outcomes the headnet, drop the long sleeves and even consider gloves.

As to treating my clothing with permethrin, I'll do my two short sleeve shirts, two long sleeve button shirts, a couple pair of pants and shorts; my packer hat and baseball cap and a few pair of wool socks. I've actually treated my sleeping bag when sleeping on the ground, but the hammock makes all that less of an issue.

ROCK6
 
Hey Rock, do you treat the Hammock as well? I do. Lord knows there have been mornings I get out of it and forget to zip it up.... The bug proof hammock isn't idiot proof you know.. :o
 
Hey Rock, do you treat the Hammock as well? I do. Lord knows there have been mornings I get out of it and forget to zip it up.... The bug proof hammock isn't idiot proof you know.. :o

Hey Tony, I have treated the upper netting. I've done Canadian canoe trips and woke up with my tent netting almost completely blacked out by mosquitos! I guess you could do the hole thing if their that bad.

ROCK6
 
The mosquitoes have been miserable the last few times I was out lateish (anywhere vaguely near sundown). My tick count for the season stands at 12; every one caught before biting me. 5 were from a single full day hike where I forgot to spray my legs with DEET and I was on a narrow trail with low blueberry bushes for a few miles. I was picking them off every half mile as they struggled up my socks. Most have been when I had not used DEET due to the brevity of a walk. I wear shorts and high wool socks with my hiking boots. I spray my legs and socks heavily from the knee down. The boots get a light spritz. This of course does bugger all for mosquitos (except on my legs), but seems to have helped a lot with ticks so far.
 
Hey Tony, I have treated the upper netting. I've done Canadian canoe trips and woke up with my tent netting almost completely blacked out by mosquitos! I guess you could do the hole thing if their that bad.

ROCK6

something that might be worth treating,
a bandanna
I treated our "outdoor" clothes last summer and on recommendation,
treated a few cheap bandannas.
we wore them in the day,and at night hung them
by the entrance to the tent.
tied one to the zipper pull lanyard.
kept the skeeters out and when the screen was closed,
seemed to keep the crawlies away as well.
I will continue to do it.
really seemed to have worked the whole trip.
 
something that might be worth treating,
a bandanna
I treated our "outdoor" clothes last summer and on recommendation,
treated a few cheap bandannas.
we wore them in the day,and at night hung them
by the entrance to the tent.
tied one to the zipper pull lanyard.
kept the skeeters out and when the screen was closed,
seemed to keep the crawlies away as well.
I will continue to do it.
really seemed to have worked the whole trip.

Did you notice any ill effects from covering your face with the treated bandanna? From what I've read it seems like that should be fine, but constantly breathing in and out has me wondering.



Also, has anyone had good success in treating an entire tent or even a sleeping pad? I'm wondering how well it would bond to that type of fabric.
 
something that might be worth treating,
a bandanna
I treated our "outdoor" clothes last summer and on recommendation,
treated a few cheap bandannas.
we wore them in the day,and at night hung them
by the entrance to the tent.
tied one to the zipper pull lanyard.
kept the skeeters out and when the screen was closed,
seemed to keep the crawlies away as well.
I will continue to do it.
really seemed to have worked the whole trip.

That's a good idea...I haven't treated mine, but my wife did use a Buff that was treated. I often carry my bandana around my neck anyways...not a bad idea. I can't comment on the breathing through anything treated with permethrin, but for temporary use, I wouldn't worry too much. If you plan to have your mouth/nose covered for extended periods, I would much rather avoid any potential harm via chemicals and just use a head net. Once dried, I've never had any bad skin reactions to treated clothing.

ROCK6
 
Adjust your camping style to the situations you encounter. I also like a hammock in summer and find it easier to manage bugs than a tent which has a tendency to let the skeeter's in when you enter them. We all know how 2 mosquitoes in a tent can find your ear to buzz in and then give you cauliflower ear from bopping it with your hand all night. In the day I always wear long pants, long sleeve shirts and a wide brim hat. The clothing helps with sun as much as it does the ectoparasites and I find I can manage my body core temperature far better using appropriate weight clothing than I can in shorts and t-shirts. Sure, my ass, chest and arms are white as a ghost but my wife likes it that way :D On the hat, squirting DEET onto the brim usually takes care of most of the mosquitos except in the worst conditions where I have to apply it on my face. I do avoid certain areas and times of the year, like when blackflies peak, they are the most ingenious little buggers at invading chinks in your outer armour. In the case of blackflies, a bugjacket is pretty much the only way to go.
 
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