why I don't complain about fit and finish on production Emerson Knives

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I drive a vehicle that looks like a family car. It's capable of high performance. I keep it covered in dust and dirt. I like it that way. Nobody even gives it a second glance. But when I need it to perform, it does everything I ask of it.

Much the same for my production Emersons. Nothing flashy about them, but when I need a no-nonsense solution to a problem, my Emersons have never disappointed.

I carried a non Emerson folder for 10 years. It was made of all the best materials of the time. I bought it when it just came out and it ended up being "one of the most highly rated folders of all time" (in the words of a well known reviewer) from a large production company. It managed to handle daily tasks. Holding it in my hands, I always thought it could pull through in those once in a lifetime situations. Then one night I had one of those situations. And this non Emerson knife I had with excellent fit and finish did not inspire confidence AT ALL.

Fortunately, I didn't have to use the blade to its full potential, but the very first thing I did the next day is purchase an Emerson.

I appreciate Emerson knives for the fact that they are completely user serviceable. You can set the tension on the pivot yourself using anything that will fit on the screw side. I can easily inspect the health of the locking mechanism. I can easily clean the locking mechanism. I don't need a "small and light weight" pocket tool box in my pocket all the time just in case I need a torx screw in a size I can't usually find at the corner hardware store to service the knife.

What ever happened to the days when men repaired and maintained their own tools? Nowadays, it seems like if you can't plug and play something right out of the box it's somehow sub-standard.

If you're looking for flashy, go buy flashy. If you want something that gives you complete satisfaction IN USE under ALL conditions, Emerson is the way to go!
 
i couldnt agree more. i tried many other folders from other quality companies, and was never too confident in them for any use other than slicing and cutting. my emerson isnt the best slicer, but it gets the job done.
i dont like having to second think about the way i use my tools while working on a task, i expect it to do what i require it to do, and ask for more. for the price and without spending 400+ dollars, i dont see any other folders that meet my requirements other than emersons.

other than fit and finish, 2 other complaints ive seen is the pivot gets loose, and the tapped liners arent pin constructed. (and my horseman has perfect fit and finish)
the pivot getting loose really isnt a big deal, some use lok-tite, while some use teflon tape. i use the latter, because i can still easily service it, and it has never come loose.
the tapped liner construction isnt the sturdiest, but i really dont see the handle coming apart either. and have never heard of that happening.

i love the fact that if i took my emerson apart, im not voiding its warranty. and if anything is defective, mr. emerson would take care of me.
customer service and warranty is always a big consideration for any tools i purchase.
 
I am afraid to strip out the small phillips head screws. Does anyone know if Emerson sends replacements out ?

i wish Emersons had the torx. I don't have a quality small phillips and need to buy one now. All mine are chepo dollar store types and have very soft metal.

Guess different stokes for different folks. But I do prefer the pivot screwdriver head. I wish all knives had that...especially Strider and Hinderers.
 
I am afraid to strip out the small phillips head screws. Does anyone know if Emerson sends replacements out ?

i wish Emersons had the torx. I don't have a quality small phillips and need to buy one now. All mine are chepo dollar store types and have very soft metal.

Guess different stokes for different folks. But I do prefer the pivot screwdriver head. I wish all knives had that...especially Strider and Hinderers.

They do. I had a screw come stripped on 1 of the 3 that come on the pocket clip. Gave them a call and they sent me 6 screws and a nice Emerson sticker.
 
Well, when USPS shows up with my Mini Commander, i'll see what all of the fuss is on $150 knife's fit and finish. Now think of it this way. He said he makes them specifically for hard use. What good is excellent finish when you're gonna beat it up? Or think of this. CRK supposedly have perfect fit and finish. What about if you use the knife? Maybe a scratch on the blade or handle? Pocket clip wear? The fit is still perfect, but the finish is blemished. Now, I can understand if Emerson knives don't have perfect finish, but fit is another story. For any knife over $100 the fit should damn well be near perfect. Blade play is NOT acceptable, centering should be spot on, and the deployment should be perfect. I'll see though, and update. I was on the fence about an Emerson, but I was so drawn to the design of the Mini Commander I couldn't resist. I also asked the dealer on eBay to check the one's in stock he had and send me the best, and he said he would. I'm not too nit picky, but I also don't need mirror polished liners... And, Strider easily being twice as much as an emerson; also isn't well known for their fit and finish.
 
From what I've seen, fit is there. Finish, not so much, but machining marks aren't a big deal to me anyway. After all, I even stonewash some of my blades, liners/scales, and clips. I agree though about the bladeplay, centering, and lockup. My CQC-10 doesn't have any issues with those.
 
I usualy sand the handle edges to make it smoother.....and I support emersons anyhow!
 
I can see if the F&F is acceptable to you, but it's nothing to crow about.
Sure, I have 3 Emersons still, and may get another at some point (stone-washed CQC-12, hint hint;)), but I won't be saying how "hard-core" the finish is, or that it doesn't matter.

I like them in spite of the flaws; well, actually I like them better now that I put the effort into removing the flaws.
 
Well just got it, and initial impressions overall are good. Actually, everything except the finish is good. Solid lock up, blade is centered, razor sharp, ergos are awesome, g-10 is by far the grippiest I have ever felt. The only finish problem with the knife other than the machining marks, is the back spacer isn't completely flush with the liners and g-10 on the butt end. Other than that, it's all I expected and hoped.
 
"I always thought it could pull through in those once in a lifetime situations. Then one night I had one of those situations. And this non Emerson knife I had with excellent fit and finish did not inspire confidence AT ALL."

In response to the original poster, how did your old knife not inspire confidence? Personally I carry a waved Endura when the weather is warmer and Spyderco's Military in winter.
 
Well, when USPS shows up with my Mini Commander, i'll see what all of the fuss is on $150 knife's fit and finish. Now think of it this way. He said he makes them specifically for hard use. What good is excellent finish when you're gonna beat it up? Or think of this. CRK supposedly have perfect fit and finish. What about if you use the knife? Maybe a scratch on the blade or handle? Pocket clip wear? The fit is still perfect, but the finish is blemished. Now, I can understand if Emerson knives don't have perfect finish, but fit is another story. For any knife over $100 the fit should damn well be near perfect. Blade play is NOT acceptable, centering should be spot on, and the deployment should be perfect. I'll see though, and update. I was on the fence about an Emerson, but I was so drawn to the design of the Mini Commander I couldn't resist. I also asked the dealer on eBay to check the one's in stock he had and send me the best, and he said he would. I'm not too nit picky, but I also don't need mirror polished liners... And, Strider easily being twice as much as an emerson; also isn't well known for their fit and finish.

I've got to chime in here 'cause you mentioned CRK. I've kept my three Emersons because I really like the way Ernie designs and builds knives but CRK does eclipse Emerson on fit and finish and that most important issue - blade tension - you NEVER have to adjust the tension on a CRK Sebenza. Also, CRK's are easier on the pocket. The rough grips on the Emersons, and many other makers, just eat up the pockets of my pants where as the smoother, blasted finish is easier on fabric. Of course, CRKs are over twice the cost of Ernie's knives.
 
Whats wrong with Emerson's F&F??? They are work knives, not full blown pampered customs. I have ALOT of knives customs and production like Lambert, Strider, Spyderco, Benchmade, ZT,etc.... Every knife has their place. I'll tell you that nobody ever grabs their high dollar custom knife when they know that their prized knife might get scratched or damaged with the task at hand. Look at all the $500+ knives on the forum classifieds that are always traded in perfect non used condition. Even the so called hard use knives like Hinderer XM-18 or XM-24, they are never used in any situation that might put a scratch on the blade.
I love Emerson's because they always deploy faster than any other knife and they always perform above and beyond the task at hand. All my Emerson knives have had a excellent F&F, at least as good as ZT or Benchmade. When I needed another pocket clip, I called Emerson and guess what??? They actually answered the phone and sent me what I needed.:eek:
Emerson knives have a personality to them that have always instilled confidence to me. If on my Harley or out in the woods hunting, I KNOW my Emerson knife will get the job done. I am not afraid to beat on my Emerson's or scratch them if that is what it takes and I can always strop a razor edge after the job is done. I use to be a "steel snob" but quickly realized what good is a super hard exotic steel if its a bitch to sharpen?? I can get a edge on 154cm that is beyond sharp. Thats all that matters.


On a final note,...I buy Emerson knives because they are made in the USA and I like the man and his politics that stand behind them.:thumbup:

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Emersons are like the Ford of knives. Great for everyday driving, bad gas mileage and rattles like a mofo. No one ever complains about rattles or crappy interior when owning a Ford.
 
"I always thought it could pull through in those once in a lifetime situations. Then one night I had one of those situations. And this non Emerson knife I had with excellent fit and finish did not inspire confidence AT ALL."

In response to the original poster, how did your old knife not inspire confidence? Personally I carry a waved Endura when the weather is warmer and Spyderco's Military in winter.

Say I knew how to use the blade, and I was able to use the blade, but the handle just wasn't going to do EVERYTHING a handle COULD do? This is where Emerson knives excel. And what about the blades? They're amazing! I'm not going to actually say everything that I've been able to do with an Emerson, but I can say that they have not let me down.
 
my problem with Emersons is this

1. the steel they use is sub par: well to better explain its not sub par but it is sub par at the price 150 bucks is a lot of money and what are you getting for that 154cm ... ooh wow 154cm i can get that on a 80 dollar griptilian that i can personally attest to its bamfness i have pryed with it i have cut steel with it i have gotten brass unjamed from my guns i have killed aligators by cutting the spinal cord with it and i will tell you this it NEVER not once failed me i cleaned it after skinning some game by throwing it in bleach a full week later i had all of 2 rust spots that were easily taken care of. so no i do think its over priced for what it is i mean yes i get it if you want ease of sharpening then fine make it cheaper because you are using an inferior steel

2. WHY does it use ti liners why why why and then you screw into the ti liners and strip them out and people are surprised. i will take the extra 1/2 ounce to not have to worry about lock wear and have my knife not get stripped out its not a big deal to me

3. if you want to pry carry a 10 dollar pry bar if not a 30 dollar ti pry bar and if not then why not a non ffg manix2 still get your 154cm but in a package under 100 bucks pry as much as you want and when you eventually break it dont blame me

shoot if you want something to do your "rough use" with use ANY cold steel they have Excellent fit and finish the strongest lock in production and a nice easy sharpenable steel thats very tough
 
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