Why I want my knife with me - San Francisco plane crash

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Extract from a news paper on the San Francisco plane crash:
"San Francisco - Police officers threw utility knives up to crew members inside the burning wreckage of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 so they could cut away passengers' seat belts"

My worst fear! I always carry a knife and now you get into a situation like this and you are dependent on someone who has to throw you a cutting tool so that you can save your life or the life's of others....

The debate will continue. A knife as a critical tool while some see it as a weapon
 
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As sad as it is to say, this crash may have a silver lining. It highlights the need to have knives on planes.
 
lol, most people pretty much view knives purely as weapons not even tools AT ALL so knives will probably never be allowed on a plane
 
Carry a pair of trauma shears. They're allowed on airplanes as long as the blades are under 4", which I believe most are.
 
Seilu said:
lol, most people pretty much view knives purely as weapons not even tools AT ALL so knives will probably never be allowed on a plane
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At the very least, they should allow rescue blades such as the Benchmade Rescue Hook and similar type of models.

(It's one reason they don't get upset if you want to bring something a bit more substantial than a coin-cell light in your carry-on or even on your person. Anyone dumb enough to ask, just tell them about the time your plane crashed and thank goodness someone had a substantial flashlight on board to help with ... Yeah, watch them just wave you on through with your light(s) before you get to finish.)
 
I hope this information and discussion gets a bit more circulation and discussion. The idea to carry trauma shears is a good one, tho9ugh I have never tried it due to fears of being bothered by security and being given special screening.

The whole discussion reminds me of the incident in Los Angeles where a child burned because no one was able to obtain a knife or other implement to cut the child loose. Perhaps the Knife Rights organization should be made aware of this thread.
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"Knife free" zones make about as much sense as Gun Free zones. But I still don't think the sheeple will ever be convinced.
 
here a thought don't fly. there is way too many people that would get a knife on the plane and get drunk and pull it out and start a whole bunch of trouble. that is the problem. the 10% of the people that fall under that.
 
I fired this email off to TSA and CATSA. Email those folks and let them know how you feel about this.

The recent crash of a Boeing 777 in San Francisco in which the flight crew and fire fighters had to ask police to provide them with knives to cut free stranded passengers in the burning wreckage, is proof that changes need to be made to security screening laws to allow passengers to carry small knives onto the plane. This accident again like many others has left helpless passengers without any means to cut themselves free when accidents happen, and they do with glaring regularity as statistics will prove. Air passengers deserve better laws than the narrow minded, punitive zero tolerance of knives inside the cabin we have now. More effort should be diverted to flammable and explosive devices, than for simple edged tools like knives, which is draining the resources of security screeners. It's time for change here and globally before more people have to die than otherwise would, if they had the small knives to cut themselves free from disaster however remote these may be.
 
richard thurman said:
here a thought don't fly. there is way too many people that would get a knife on the plane and get drunk and pull it out and start a whole bunch of trouble. that is the problem. the 10% of the people that fall under that.
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Not sure how much trouble they'd be considering the size of knife the TSA had been considering allowing was no bigger than the Victorinox Executive.
 
richard thurman said:
here a thought don't fly. there is way too many people that would get a knife on the plane and get drunk and pull it out and start a whole bunch of trouble. that is the problem. the 10% of the people that fall under that.
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By this logic knives should be banned from resturaunts, bars... Hell, just everywhere on the off chance someone might have had a drink before leaving the house.

People carried knives on planes for years without this being a problem.
 
"San Francisco - Police officers threw utility knives up to crew members"

Knives for passengers? Maybe not, but at least let the crew members carry tools that can easily cut seat belts. Personally, I'd still prefer it if I could bring my EDC knife on board. The problem is, there's no guarantee that everyone who carried a knife on board if the law allowed it has no intention to cause harm.
 
Yet there are those who manage to carry something onto planes that could cut in an emergency
 
richard thurman said:
here a thought don't fly. there is way too many people that would get a knife on the plane and get drunk and pull it out and start a whole bunch of trouble. that is the problem. the 10% of the people that fall under that.
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Here's a better thought, grow a pair and man up. Swiss army knives and the similar lot like the TSA was willing to green light are too small and flimsy to be considered workable weapons, even prison shivs are built to sturdier standards for inflicting harm, but they're wonderful for utilitarian purposes.
 
richard thurman said:
here a thought don't fly. there is way too many people that would get a knife on the plane and get drunk and pull it out and start a whole bunch of trouble. that is the problem. the 10% of the people that fall under that.
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Like I said in the OP :"The debate will continue. A knife as a critical tool while some see it as a weapon"

The bulk op people see a plane as a means of transport. Some see it and use it as a weapon of mass destruction... It does not mean we must now ban planes?

To be a bit philosophical - it is too easy these days not to take accountability as someone will take care of "things", "think" for you. Imangine the world today if people took accountability, behaved ethically and applied a bit of forward planning/thinking.

Anyway, I still like knives :-)
 
Kletsou said:
To be a bit philosophical - it is too easy these days not to take accountability as someone will take care of "things", "think" for you. Imangine the world today if people took accountability, behaved ethically and applied a bit of forward planning/thinking.
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You mean like America used to be? Unfortunately, those days are long gone my friend. We now have a society of irresponsible, immoral sheep and a heavy-handed government to keep us all "safe" and in line.
 
Daenerys said:
"San Francisco - Police officers threw utility knives up to crew members"

Knives for passengers? Maybe not, but at least let the crew members carry tools that can easily cut seat belts. Personally, I'd still prefer it if I could bring my EDC knife on board. The problem is, there's no guarantee that everyone who carried a knife on board if the law allowed it has no intention to cause harm.
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I've had a few conversations with paramedics, and I witnessed an accident a while back (motorcycle vs car, I called 911). In all cases trauma shears seem to be preferred over hook knives for cutting close to the victim. I've also noticed in hospitals, that the nurses all carried listers (bandage scissors) for utility tasks.

What I'm getting at is both are fully capable of reliably cutting away seatbelts, inexpensive, and ill suited as weapons. Trauma shears and/or listers should be standard issue to the all members of the flight crew (including cabin attendents). And let's face it, in the hands of a non-emergency worker in an emergency, what do you want cutting next to your body?

Lastly, bandage/trauma scissors are about an inoffensive as cutting tool as exists.
 
I carry a pair of trauma shears in my carryon bag whenever I fly--been through Dubai, Frankfurt, Lima, Denver, DC, and Paris in the past year, with no problems at all. The only place I've had trouble in recent memory was Kabul. Definitely rather have a knife, though.
 
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