I guess once you pass security with your carry one you put it in your pocket, it would not make sense otherwise to have it.
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Why I want my knife with me - San Francisco plane crash
- Thread starter Kletsou
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I guess once you pass security with your carry one you put it in your pocket, it would not make sense otherwise to have it.
Carry a pair of trauma shears. They're allowed on airplanes as long as the blades are under 4", which I believe most are.
That's a great idea. There are some that can cut thru leather and other hard materials. Just put it in the carry on and once past security you can put it in your pocket.
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The TSA was all on board with allowing small folders (pocket knives) on planes. The CEOs of major airlines and their stewardesses came together and lobbied the change into oblivion last month. We should definitely start a campaign aimed to educate the public on the fear-mongering and baseless BS that the petitions were based on. Right now the lift on small knives bans is on "indefinite hold."
Stewardesses' reasons are pretty silly: they claim that drunk and unruly passengers armed with pocket knives will cause a lot of safety problems (when has this ever happened). The CEOs may have an even more unjustifiable purpose: when we can't have our knives and nail files on board, guess whose revenue goes up from forced checked luggage fees... I mean if you think about it logically, as soon as you put a lock on the cockpit (which they now have) an airplane is no more vulnerable to crazed knifings than busses, trains, subways, or any other form of public transportation. There's literally no justification for wasting government $ to confiscate some kid's keychain knife.
The problem is that the majority of the public don't carry knives of any kind any more, so no one cares enough to fight back. I've talked to people who agree it's dumb, but it doesn't affect them.
And as even more proof of the stupidity of these rules, here are some interesting things that you ARE allowed to have on planes (http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/prohibited-items):
Ice Skates (with sharpened, detachable blades)
screw drivers, wrenches, and other "tools" 7 inches or less
lighters
compressed gas
snow globes
Give a man my micromanager swiss army, on which I use scissors, LED light, pen, and bottle opener most of all, and let's see how well he does against me, armed with an ice skate and a snow globe. This is getting absurd and I don't know how to start a political movement against it, but if any of you do please advise!
Stewardesses' reasons are pretty silly: they claim that drunk and unruly passengers armed with pocket knives will cause a lot of safety problems (when has this ever happened). The CEOs may have an even more unjustifiable purpose: when we can't have our knives and nail files on board, guess whose revenue goes up from forced checked luggage fees... I mean if you think about it logically, as soon as you put a lock on the cockpit (which they now have) an airplane is no more vulnerable to crazed knifings than busses, trains, subways, or any other form of public transportation. There's literally no justification for wasting government $ to confiscate some kid's keychain knife.
The problem is that the majority of the public don't carry knives of any kind any more, so no one cares enough to fight back. I've talked to people who agree it's dumb, but it doesn't affect them.
And as even more proof of the stupidity of these rules, here are some interesting things that you ARE allowed to have on planes (http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/prohibited-items):
Ice Skates (with sharpened, detachable blades)
screw drivers, wrenches, and other "tools" 7 inches or less
lighters
compressed gas
snow globes
Give a man my micromanager swiss army, on which I use scissors, LED light, pen, and bottle opener most of all, and let's see how well he does against me, armed with an ice skate and a snow globe. This is getting absurd and I don't know how to start a political movement against it, but if any of you do please advise!
See this is why it frustrates me that I can't bring my Manbug on the plane. It wouldn't be the most effective cutting instrument, but hey its better than nothing. And does somebody really think you could do a lot of damage with one? I mean sure if you got an artery sure you could kill someone, but you could do the same with a sharpened credit card. And if you tried going at someone with that as a weapon, they could just grab the hand holding it and it might not even touch their hand its that small.
This is a real hot button for me, I fly pretty much weekly, and I have to have a multitool at the minimum, everywhere I go. So I am forced to check a bag on every trip. The problem is that at least 3-4 times a year, my bags don't show up when and where I do. So far, none has taken a permanent vacation but it's only a matter of time before that happens and I kiss my Gerber Suspension, as well as typically my Leek and Civilian goodbye. Admittedly the change would not have address the Leek or Civilian, or even the Suspension for that matter because the blades lock into place, but it would have been a step in the right direction and I am sure Gerber, Leatherman and everyone else who makes a multitool had designs ready to roll that would have met the requirements for cabin carry. I'm fed up with stupidity.
While I am not going to go into any detail because I don't want to wind up on a watch list, and probably get a free prostate exam from TSA, there are so many common items carried onto planes that can be used as a weapon, or weaponized in under 10 seconds that a 2 1/2 inch knife blade is a non issue.
IMO, the real issue is that for the most part, The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave has devolved into the Land of the Bureaucratically Oppressed and the Home of the Pansies.
MDH
While I am not going to go into any detail because I don't want to wind up on a watch list, and probably get a free prostate exam from TSA, there are so many common items carried onto planes that can be used as a weapon, or weaponized in under 10 seconds that a 2 1/2 inch knife blade is a non issue.
IMO, the real issue is that for the most part, The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave has devolved into the Land of the Bureaucratically Oppressed and the Home of the Pansies.
MDH
How about those Gerber gut hooks that slip over two fingers? They're basically an enlarged version of the strap cutters on emergency tools.
These?
It looks like the blade is removable from the handle, so it's a no go. Something like disposable film cutters though or a resqme keychain, where the blade is permanantly in place, might be acceptable.
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Does nobody remember that the hijackers who crashed those planes on 9/11 were armed with boxcutters? Short, single edged, legal at the time blades. They had short knives and pepper spray, and look what happened. It might be in the TSA's best interest to try and prevent another incident like the one that they were created in response to.
Does nobody remember that the hijackers who crashed those planes on 9/11 were armed with boxcutters? Short, single edged, legal at the time blades. They had short knives and pepper spray, and look what happened. It might be in the TSA's best interest to try and prevent another incident like the one that they were created in response to.
Drop the wussy ball it's affecting your thought process.
Does nobody remember that the hijackers who crashed those planes on 9/11 were armed with boxcutters? Short, single edged, legal at the time blades. They had short knives and pepper spray, and look what happened. It might be in the TSA's best interest to try and prevent another incident like the one that they were created in response to.
I do believe a fanatic will find a means to an end. If it was not box cutters it would have been a pen, rope (show string), belt buckle tip, cell phone glass cover(sharpened), etc, etc. Remember it was exceptional circumstances.
I firmly believe one should cater for the norm and handle exceptions as just that, exceptions. Do I believe that the current focus will prevent another 9-11? Definately NO. If the current focus and rules provide a sense of comfort with people flying then I suppose it does serve a purpose. I just don't think one should be complacent and believe that with the current bans you are now save....
The example if the San Francisco crash in the OP shows the other side of the exception where the ban could have had the opposite effect. Luckily it happened of the airport where help was available and not in a remote location with help needing to travel to the crash site and fire trucks where there. It will be terrible to be trapped in a burning means of transport and with no means to save yourself our fellow human and we have the easy means available.
It is so sad the criminal and fanatical behaviour and a lack of self control in some individuals cause society to come up with rules which we hope can make things ok?