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That is about the most absurd thing I've read in quite a while, the second part of your comment bolded. I'm going to leave it at that, shiny footprints and such.
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Why is the Enuff series so expensive?
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Yes, i think the Enuff series is pricey, but i have good reason to.
In RSA we pay full MSRP, no online bargains, so thats $190 unless you want to try and bring it in yourself. Other customers from Europe and Asia will share my pain. But that doesn't mean i don't like it or am not interested. Just takes a bit longer to save up and take the plunge. So i say count your blessings if you are paying $110 to $115
In RSA we pay full MSRP, no online bargains, so thats $190 unless you want to try and bring it in yourself. Other customers from Europe and Asia will share my pain. But that doesn't mean i don't like it or am not interested. Just takes a bit longer to save up and take the plunge. So i say count your blessings if you are paying $110 to $115
In Europe it costs 180€ what's really expensive.
For example a fullflat enzo trapper 95 in N960Co costs 115€ a more closely matched enzo elver 85 cost about 85€ (will also be avaible in N960Co)
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A kydex sheath for the trapper costs 39€ which makes it 154€
(leather sheaths vary from 14.20€ to 25.20€
For example a fullflat enzo trapper 95 in N960Co costs 115€ a more closely matched enzo elver 85 cost about 85€ (will also be avaible in N960Co)
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A kydex sheath for the trapper costs 39€ which makes it 154€
(leather sheaths vary from 14.20€ to 25.20€
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Sorry Rev, dont mean to step on toes. It just seems that the past couple of years all the new models are made in China and under 50$. I know the ZT line is always there but something between 50$ and 250$ would be nice.
I think the Enuff and the ESEE are a good comparison in size and purpose.
The same in overall size and close in weight. The ESEE is a good knife and feels ok in the hand; it is only after you take the Enuff in your hand do you realize there some things wrong with the ESEE.
These are small knives design to work hard and basically Spyderco have done it better.
The handle is the main thing, in that the Enuff grip fills the hand and you have total control of the knife. Go back to ESEE and it is else so.
You feel that, if you were pushing hard in a cut that went wrong, the knife could twist in your hand. Not so with the Enuff, it is going to stay put.
The ESEE handle feels almost round compared to the Enuff.
The canvas micarta on the ESEE may look rustic, but it picks up dirt quickly and is hard to clean.
The Enuff with FRN scales; just rise it off and you are right to go.
While ESEE is not bad knife; but! If I was working one of these little knives hard and had wet cold hands or hands covered in blood while skinning an animal. I will take the Enuff every time.
Price? Spyderco have built a better knife for the intended purpose and picked the best materials to make it that way. Getting the best is never going to cheap.
Look at the bright side; if you buy it for its intended purpose, you will only ever need to buy one. It’s a solid little beast, it will last.
Unless of course you feel the need for one of the other blade styles too.
The same in overall size and close in weight. The ESEE is a good knife and feels ok in the hand; it is only after you take the Enuff in your hand do you realize there some things wrong with the ESEE.
These are small knives design to work hard and basically Spyderco have done it better.
The handle is the main thing, in that the Enuff grip fills the hand and you have total control of the knife. Go back to ESEE and it is else so.
You feel that, if you were pushing hard in a cut that went wrong, the knife could twist in your hand. Not so with the Enuff, it is going to stay put.
The ESEE handle feels almost round compared to the Enuff.
The canvas micarta on the ESEE may look rustic, but it picks up dirt quickly and is hard to clean.
The Enuff with FRN scales; just rise it off and you are right to go.
While ESEE is not bad knife; but! If I was working one of these little knives hard and had wet cold hands or hands covered in blood while skinning an animal. I will take the Enuff every time.
Price? Spyderco have built a better knife for the intended purpose and picked the best materials to make it that way. Getting the best is never going to cheap.
Look at the bright side; if you buy it for its intended purpose, you will only ever need to buy one. It’s a solid little beast, it will last.
Unless of course you feel the need for one of the other blade styles too.
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Nice pics, Ive never seen that much of the Enuff. Youre kind of hurting me though, I like that palm swell. I have the izzy and the size is so close that I cant justify dropping the dough.
I must say that like all things the more involved you get with something the more you learn the answers to your questions.
I have recently designed a new bolo style fixed blade and I'm planning on pursuing the design to completion. In this process I've done quite a bit of search for steel types. There is a drastic difference in cost depending on length, width, thickness, and steel choice. I can tell you that 1080 is one of the cheapest priced steels besides 52100,5160, and A2 carbon steel. Mind you the 1080 is a carbon steel and is not stainless! Every single Esee I've ever seen has had rust on it despite having a coating. Even the logos rust. As a matter of fact even a 1080 fixed blade I let sit in oil for a few months rusted a little on the logo. Stainless steel costs more for a lot of reasons. Rust is the decay of the steel.
You can't compare the esee Izula 2 to a Spyderco Enuff. If you want to compare a Spyderco to an Esee I izula 2 it would be the Swick. Hands down the Swick wins. S30v vs 1080. S30v wins. Price is about the same depending on where you buy the Izula. I have both and I would trade in the izula for another Swick anyday.
Also if you opt for the izula model that comes with handles, you are getting Micarta handles Not G10. Micarta does absorb a lot of things like dirt, oil, etc.
I have recently designed a new bolo style fixed blade and I'm planning on pursuing the design to completion. In this process I've done quite a bit of search for steel types. There is a drastic difference in cost depending on length, width, thickness, and steel choice. I can tell you that 1080 is one of the cheapest priced steels besides 52100,5160, and A2 carbon steel. Mind you the 1080 is a carbon steel and is not stainless! Every single Esee I've ever seen has had rust on it despite having a coating. Even the logos rust. As a matter of fact even a 1080 fixed blade I let sit in oil for a few months rusted a little on the logo. Stainless steel costs more for a lot of reasons. Rust is the decay of the steel.
You can't compare the esee Izula 2 to a Spyderco Enuff. If you want to compare a Spyderco to an Esee I izula 2 it would be the Swick. Hands down the Swick wins. S30v vs 1080. S30v wins. Price is about the same depending on where you buy the Izula. I have both and I would trade in the izula for another Swick anyday.
Also if you opt for the izula model that comes with handles, you are getting Micarta handles Not G10. Micarta does absorb a lot of things like dirt, oil, etc.
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You are correct of course, Canvas Micarta, I awoke in the middle of the night realising my blunder.
I hoped no one would notice before I got back to correct it.
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I don't want to sound overly critical, but... It's almost baffling that the knife came to fruition, given that it was surely known what the end cost would be unacceptable for the consumer.
If the knife is expensive to produce with the materials and location...
...Change them?
If the knife is expensive to produce with the materials and location...
...Change them?
I love Spyderco for taking so many chances on unproven designs. It must be so frustrating to see the knives you discontinued become popular and sell for over double after the fact. Smart consumers making more money in the secondary market...I know it's almost impossible to predict that..but it seems so true on so many of the Spyderco knives.
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I think that's where you run into a different set of markets. The initial sales while it's in production are going towards more users, while the discontinued sales are going mostly towards collectors. I don't know if it would be frustrating, as the only reason the items gain so much value is because they weren't successful enough for many to be produced.
Firstly a confession, I am a Spyderco nut and a bit of a collector of Spyderco knives.
Of their fixed bladed knives in particular.
And I assure you none of their fixed bladed utility knives were made for people like me. These knives were not made to look pretty or to look gung-ho, to inspire the inner warrior in us all.
They are designed and built to do a job.
The use of VG-10 and substantial, hard wearing, easy to clean handles has become a standard for the Spyderco utility knives.
The ESEE was the only knife I had that fitted in to that category, so could only compare it to that.
If you are intending to buy a knife of this type, for a backup for a larger fixed blade or just something to chuck in a pack.
Dont just dismiss the Enuff as being the same as the others but higher priced.
If you have the opportunity, compare it to as many others as you can, take them in your hand and imagine the worst possible conditions you may be in when using it. The worst weather conditions, that you have cold, wet, slippery hands or hands covered in muck. And maybe because of necessity you are cutting things with it, that you probably should have brought along a bigger knife for.
And remember Murphys Law; in these conditions if a knife can slip or twist in your hand at the worst possible time, it will.
I think you will come away liking the Enuff and feeling that this is a knife that you could rely on in those conditions.
Of their fixed bladed knives in particular.
And I assure you none of their fixed bladed utility knives were made for people like me. These knives were not made to look pretty or to look gung-ho, to inspire the inner warrior in us all.
They are designed and built to do a job.
The use of VG-10 and substantial, hard wearing, easy to clean handles has become a standard for the Spyderco utility knives.
The ESEE was the only knife I had that fitted in to that category, so could only compare it to that.
If you are intending to buy a knife of this type, for a backup for a larger fixed blade or just something to chuck in a pack.
Dont just dismiss the Enuff as being the same as the others but higher priced.
If you have the opportunity, compare it to as many others as you can, take them in your hand and imagine the worst possible conditions you may be in when using it. The worst weather conditions, that you have cold, wet, slippery hands or hands covered in muck. And maybe because of necessity you are cutting things with it, that you probably should have brought along a bigger knife for.
And remember Murphys Law; in these conditions if a knife can slip or twist in your hand at the worst possible time, it will.
I think you will come away liking the Enuff and feeling that this is a knife that you could rely on in those conditions.
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They thought about a lower price, but it probably just wasn't Enuff.
Okay cripplingly bad pun aside, price usually is largely based upon production. The Delica or Endura are cheap because they are heavily produced, so it would stand to reason that the Enuff is more expensive because as many can't be produced so they are more expensive per unit. That is my best guess.
Okay cripplingly bad pun aside, price usually is largely based upon production. The Delica or Endura are cheap because they are heavily produced, so it would stand to reason that the Enuff is more expensive because as many can't be produced so they are more expensive per unit. That is my best guess.
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I like Spyderco's use of FRN and I've come to appreciate its advantages. YMMV on polymers but they have worked very well for me on my knives and guns. However, I can understand why people can't agree with the price for the materials you get with the Enuff. Sal did share some reasons for it and they must really believe in the design. In this case, the steel and bladeshape options, along with its design and capabilities that the end user experiences will have to be reason Enuff.