Why is the Sebenza so popular?

Because it is...

I was of the opinion a long long time ago that Sebenza owners convinced themselves of the value and worth of the Reeve product for the following reasons:

1. Did not want to admit they had paid too much for a plain looking factory production folder.
2. They wanted to keep the re-sell values high, so they jumped on any bad comments.
3. It was an exclusive club to them and outsiders were unwelcome that did not think like them!

Well its all bull:rolleyes: !!!

I don't want to sound like Viktor Kyamn (spelling?) but I was so impressed I bought 3! Including a Damascus small wood. I won't tolerate poor QC as many of my old Benchmade threads show. No complaints here.

Now I won't say why I think the Benza is so good, others here have hit the nail on the head. What I will say is I have never seen a knife at any price that is so consistantly perfect in QC, fit and finish and workman like design. They are in my opinion overpriced, but that is just because I can't afford as many as I want...:(
 
If i had to pick one word/concept to descibe the Sebenza and why it's so highly regarded, almost to cult status, id say, because it screams QUALITY in every regard.

Everything about it is of the highest quality. It does everything so well.

On any folder, the lock is crucial, the more confidence one has in the lock, the better the knife. Well, anyone who has closely examined a Sebenza's lock can only go away thinking that its as rock solid and as high quality as is possible, thus, the knife inspires great confidence. I defy you to find a stronger, more sturdy, well made liner/frame lock mechanism. So, in this critical regard, the Sebenza delivers.

Next, the blade, each blade, as has been said, is hand finished and fitted. The steel is top notch, either BG-42 or S30V. Great blade profile and grind, again, done by a skilled hand.

The frame is simple, but very sturdy.

The blade opens as smooth as glass, thats not to say without effort, theres resistance, which is a GOOD thing, dont confuse ease of opening with smoothness, the blade opens with the perfect amount of resistance, and yet its super smooth at the same time. So, in this regard, again, all you see and feel is...quality.

Fit and finish, things like centered blades, no blade play, the tactile feel and look of all of the finished parts, all, again, of the absolute highest quality, even down to the polished hex head screws.

Add the ability to disassemble for a thorough cleaning, the great service, the nearly free resharpenings/refurbishings, and you have a knife that is so consistent in quality, a knife where everything you could ever ask for is done perfectly, with skillfull and precise execution, that, with good reason, these knives have developed the following they have.

Anyone who appreciates a tool made to the absolute highest standards, with the finest materials and the best fit and finish, should appreciate what the Sebenza has to offer.

Also, one more thing, i have seen many customs, even by the "masters" of the utility/tactical knife like JW Smith and the like, and the Sebenza is every bit the knife they are, thats not to say they arent great knives, they are, but so is the Sebenza and the mere fact that its techincally not a custom, shouldnt give you the idea that it doesnt have custom quality, or fit and finish, it most certainly does, in fact, i have seen many customs that arent as well made, and few that are, and this coming from a guy who loves customs and owns many. And since you can find new Sebenzas for $300 or so, when you really think about it, this is not an overpriced knife, heck, at $300, it may be UNDERpriced.
 
Wow this thread still goin' ? Nothing like controversy, too bad we can't sell that! ;)

Custom knives, I've owned several, sounds like an old song eh? Could almost exchange out Custom knives for ~Regrets~ as those that HAD Customs means they moved on or tried Another to reach that everlasting THE knife we search for...One responder to this thread wondered why people who like the Sebenza sometimes sell them, if they like them so much, why sell it? Well I fall into there but I've never been without a Sebenza since owning one, at one time I had 8 or 9 of the CRK knives, thought I was a collector of sorts :) but then another virus struck, home theater system and out the door MOST of them went for what I paid or a little under so to me they held their value well and had the time spent getting used to that particular model. Right now I've the large Sebenza with S30V blade and love it very much, as mentioned in my previous post, my heart is really to my production knife, must be they did something right on this one! as it is excellent for about any task...and looks sleek :D

Of the Custom knives I've owned, there were a few lemons and those makers are or were going to clear them up, as also pointed out you USUSALLY get very good service from a guy that has his name on the line! Otherwise he'll be in a different line of work shortly! Only know of one situation that a fellow made a knife, my friend used it, a big bowie/camp knife, he made a chop into a tree branch at the junction of the branch and tree and when he went to remove the blade he pulled against the knife and the blade bent, he let go of the handle and the knife stayed bent at about a 45% angle, he was shocked, so he pushed it back into place and got it somewhat straight again! Dumbfounded, he thought it should have sprung back to true but stayed bent like cold rolled steel...well time went by and he met up with the maker, the guy replied, "Well that was before I was heat treating them properly, at least it didn't break on you..." He wouldn't take the knife back, knock off the scales, no bolster, and re-heat treat the knife, so that ruined my friend from ever buying from that maker, I'll not reveal the makers name...sorry guys but just a warning there may be some that may not be so thoughful to help you out down the road...:(

Currently I'd love to get a nice small Classic Sebenza with wood inlay, ironwood or something that has some nice character showing...
G2
 
Damn! Just sold one, Architect, to a forum member. I loved that knife, but was afraid to use it due to it's looking too beautiful. Instead, I rely on a large LEFTY regular Sabenza, also bought from a forum member, that I had promptly forwarded to CRK for a second thumb stud and a "tune-up."

If someone does not like the look or feel of a knife, it's their option to turn it down. But to dismiss the Sabenza out-of-hand with regard to price, one needs to be educated as to what to look for in this particular, high-quality knife.

A lot of value is in the details.

Of course, if a person's means prevents them from getting a finer knife, all the details in the world won't matter. For them, there are thousands of other knives to choose from.
 
To those who can't justify buying a plain looking CRK because for a little more money you can have a fancy custom, well, have you seen the new CR Knives with mammoth ivory and gold and diamond inlays???

Just when you thought the line between Chris Reeve knives and customs couldnt be blurrier, here come these little beauties with custom-like touches.

PS. I of course realize that no amount of ivory or inlay can make a CR a true custom, or even handmade, but they certainly make them a viable alternative to customs/handmades.

Here's a picture of one of the new ones with mammoth ivory and gold inlay.

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Here's another one!

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Wow, that Scott Cook Lochsa is GORGEOUS!

I think what it comes down to is some people look for and appreciate the finest quality tools and other people are satisfied with something of lesser quality that will do the same job. The two will never see eye to eye.

Some people are happy with Hostess Twinkies and others seek out French pastry. You might be a Budweiser man while others will settle for nothing less than an import or microbrew.

I sold my small Sebbie but that doesn't mean I don't think it was a great knife. On the contrary I was very sorry to see it go but I knew it was going to a good home where it would be used and appreciated. I will never sell my Umfaan however as it is one of my favorite knives of all time. Same quality as the larger pieces but in such a diminutive package! :cool:

The great achievement of the Sebenza is its utter simplicity. It is one of the ultimate minimalist tools.
 
Why do I like Sebenza ?

When I first collecting knives, I tried many factory made folders for EDC. I always found something that I didn't like about them. I tried Benchmade, Al Mar, MOD, Microtech, and none of them impressed me. Some of them had 'wobble' blade after long use, the design were nice but not for hard working (from my opinion), etc.

I always thought that Sebenza is too much, and I wouldn't want to pay more than $200 for an EDC.

A year ago, I was browsing ebay and someone was selling a used Sebenza. I put my bid and got it for $200. The knife was used, many scratches on the blade, most of the scratches are the result of sanding it with sandpaper. I don't know what the previous owner intended to do with it. Even the stone wash finish was almost gone. I guess it's a kind of proof that it had been used for hard work.

I sharpened it, cleaned it, and it really surprised me to see that the locking mechanism is still working perfectly. No wobbly blade.
I used it for EDC, and now I have 2 of them. 1 for back up, in case I lost the other one. I carry it everyday for the past year, and I have no complaint about it at all.

It is true that Sebenza is very plain and simple (even too simple), but that way, I can't complaint about many things. Foe example, I own a BM with axis lock. When the time comes, I need to do a complete cleaning; meaning that I will have to take the knife apart, and clean it part by part. Axis lock is a great invention, but it is a pain putting all the parts together again after cleaning. Another example; many factory knives that I own have titanium handle coated by black stuff (Ti Nitride). It is SO easy to scratch, and after I use the knife on the field, there are many scratches on the handle and make the knife not so good looking.

All I need for EDC is a knife that will hold up after hard work, something I can't be bored too soon, and something I can't complaint too much about. I am very whiny when it comes to knife. So far, Sebenza is the only knife that offers those feature. Ti handles ? Sure, but I can barely see the scratches on my Sebenza. In short; the beauty lies in its simplicity. May be this is what women mean by inner beauty ? :D

Anyway, it is just my opinion. People can say other wise (I don't mind, and I don't care :)), but I will not change my opinion about it. After all, people's taste and needs are different.
 
As I've said before, NOBODY builds a better knife than the Sebenza. Sure, some handmades will probably equal it. But it will cost you even more.

Paul
 
What does it feel like to lose a $300 knife? Do you find yourself with an EDC that you don't carry everyday out of fear of losing it?
 
Losing a $300 knife ? It HURTS LIKE HELL :(

I don't think how you can lose a Sebenza though. If you are afraid of losing it, then use the lanyard. The clip is pretty tight, and I don't think you will lose it when wearing it.

Anybody ever lose a Sebenza ?
 
Originally posted by beluga
Losing a $300 knife ? It HURTS LIKE HELL :(...
Anybody ever lose a Sebenza ?

I know that I PAY more attention to an expensive knife verses one not so expensive, so losing them are less frequent as you tend to watch where you place that knife and to whom you let borrow it ;)

but losing any knife is never fun, since most people buy a knife because the like it for whatever reason...

G2
 
I thought i lost my Large Classic Sebbie yesterday for a few minutes believe it or not, even though i have a backup for it i got that bad feeling in the lower part of my stomach anyway, but before i panicked i remembered i used it to open some mail before i got into my car so there it was on my front seat thank the gods!

When i went to use it and it wasn't there my son said don't worry dad you have a 101 other knifes that you can use that i don't even know what to do with after your gone, i will most likely have to sell them without even knowing what there really worth and i said (not caring about a good return on my knifes after i'm gone) but that one was my favorite user and it has the scratches to prove it. I would have to go through a new break in period whit a new one, dreading those first few scratches! hehe

James
 
this has got to be the most talked about single item in these forums. crk has all of you whipped! :)
honestly, it seems the only people that are critcle of it are those that for whatever reason cannot justify it's price. regardless of what that price may be. it goes for what the market will bear. you cannot change that!
furthermore for those of us that do own one, why is it a sin around here for us to state that some of us do not see what is so special about it? yes it is well built. there are better built customs for $75 more!
i guess the bottom line is if you want the 10% better quality be prepared to pay 50% more than the next best production folder for it. complaining about it constantly does not help the situation at all! i honestly do love the knife when it is DECORATED. the plain one does nothing for me. yes, they are the same basic knife. the thing is, for the price of many of the decorated ones you would be way better off with a custom. also, i am not so fond of the way the "decorations" are applied with double sided 3m tape in a manner that they do not sit completely flush. still, i am not complaining about the decorated one i inherited. i would probably not buy a plain one. if at the time of purchase there was no custom that tickled my fancy, i would not hesitate to get a decorated one. actually, the unique graphic ones are the best bet for the price i can think of. i think everyones problem is the plain one does not do it for them. start looking at the unique graphic ones and you should be a lot more pleased with what it costs. at least thats how i feal. the plain one is blah. the unique graphic ones just jump to life! if you at least get the computer graphic it is WAY cooler than say a, benchmade imho.



thank you,
holdanedge.

p.s. if you are about to say i do not make any sense in this post as with most of my posts. try to think of my post as me thinking to myself! i am tossing back and forth the pros and cons of something in my mind and trying to relate that information to all of you! that is just my style, i do not completely rehearse what i will post to ANY forum. i feal it is more pertinent to speak what i am truly thinking!
 
I don't own a Sebenza.

The custom-level fit ad finish definitely interest me, but the looks do not. I don't own any >$150 knives, and on all my knives that I own, there's little itty-bitty problems with them. Pivot washers not being smooth enough and so on. So I understand why people would want to buy a Sebenza.

holdanedge, it would really help the readability of your posts if you rehearsed your capitalization. Thanks.
 
also, i am not so fond of the way the "decorations" are applied with double sided 3m tape in a manner that they do not sit completely flush.

1. The 3M tape is not of the shelf sticky tape, it is Space industry grade super stuff!
2. The wood inserts are not intended to be flush! Also the 'pop' when the inserts are placed into the handle shows how perfect a fit they are.
3. less than a small crowbar and nothing will move them!
4. I'm a tight arse, with little money and yet I own 3 CRK. For the record a Large Classic MM Sebi numbered 6 of 50 (in pocket right now!) a Small Dark Walnut Spiral Damascus Regular Sebi (also has BG-42 blade, so this knife has 2 b/days!) lastly a Redwood Burl Mnandi numbered 24 of 25. I put the cash down and paid full list for all, ask yourself this, am I the type of guy to spend without a care? Do I have shed loads of cash to burn? Or do I simply crave the finer things in life and understand the price one must pay to get it?

Put it another way. If I had spent all the money on Spyderco's (though very good!) Gerber and Benchmade knives, as well as a few other brands. I could probably afford 6-7 CRK's! Still while I would undoutably have had better quality CR Knives, that takes some of the fun out of it! As much as I LOVE CRK's some other manufacturs produce blades I like as well. They may not always have the quality or back up, but... For example I want a tough folder, spearpoint 4" blade in S30V. Guess what it is?:p

If CRK made a 4" blade Sebi I would be in hog heaven. Simply make the Ti scales thicker and stronger and it would be able to handle the extra blade length?

Yes, they are expensive and do look like poor value for money when you simply look at a picture of a gray plain model. Just USE one for a week. Look at the tiny detailing, the way every curve and angle has been machined and worked so it affords the greatest grip/comfort combo I have ever seen. The balance and fit are super human. Words cannot convay even in the thosands what a single week of use and carry can express.

With that I pass the stick to someone else!
 
The problems with the Sebenza are simple:
First, it's way over-priced for a production knife.
And, more importantly, no knife (including the Sebenza itself) can possibly measure up to the hype surrounding the Sebenza.

I have never said it was'nt a very good, exceptionally well made knife. But it just simply can't live up to its own reputation.

Before you ask, no I don't own a Sebenza.
However, a good friend of mine (thanks Mike!) did loan me his for a week, in an effort to bring me over to the "dark side", so I do have some experience actually cutting with one.
As I said: very nice, but I just was'nt that impressed.

Good luck,
Allen.
 
I would love to have a Sebenza, just a simple small plain module, nothing fancy, I don’t have the money but I can see that it’s worth it, As soon as I can come up with 305 dollars I’m buying one, that’s how much it impresses me. I think that it’s defiantly worth the cash.
 
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