Why Mirror Finish?

Yep,That is the most teqnical reason to polish a blade but not the main reason people do it...I know that is the reason I prefer them over low grit satin finishes.But that is just because here in Mississippi we have high humidity and things just want to rust fast and I hate refinishing a blade because of it.

Think about it like this,WHy use stainless for blades other than it stays shiny....Carbon steels can have other things added for better wear resistance and more carbon,it was because people wanted the blade to stay shiny with less maintenance.

Bruce
 
A mirror finish "attracts" a wider range of customers and cuts fractionally better. Also if you're using a non-stainless steel, it gives greater rust resistance.
 
I take my carbon steel knives to at laeast 1000 grit. Between 1000 and 2000, they start looking like "hazy mirrors" I do this because I cannot get the scratches to run straight yet and at 1000 plus, they are not so noticable:D But seriousy. It just looks good and anything that Simichrome won't cure would be visible in a 400-600 grit finish too.
 
If a blade's grinds are not even, a mirror finish will point that out in a great big hurry. Mirror finishing also provides a measure of corrosion resistance to non-stainless steels, as well as allowing the maker/new owner to insure the quality of the steel (back when steel was made by hand). Furthermore, true hand-polishing is an art-form. Have you seen the prices that traditional Japanese polishers get per inch?:eek:
-Mark

I would agree that knifemaking is an art, and bringing up a true mirror polish is not an easy thing to do. Developing a good polish takes time and practice, and involves some danger due to the nature of buffing wheels. A good mirror polish compliments a well made knife.
 
at times yes, but sometimes it just looks un-needed. You can have the most intricately detailes handle, pomel, guard, whatever and screw the whole knife up by making it a mirror. My arguement is, yes some knives look good (even amazing) with a mirror polish, but other times its just plain ugly looking. Functionality, cleanliness, bling-factor, yes its a bit better than a rougher finish blade but still. Sometimes its not needed. It's like damascus too, i love damascus and respect anyone who makes and works with it, but if there's too much damascus, too many layers, too many differing patterns in one peice, it can ruin an overall amazing knife. Too much of a good thing
 
I really like this thread. By the way Caden, don't take me wrong, but Bruce is a real accomplised bladesmith.....whose tutorials from his website have been very helpful to alot of folks, myself included.....
Just to state my point of view, I go to almost mirror finish, then start hand rubbing because that is what I like on a slipjoint blade....
Bruce must like something shiney....remember the jpegs of a highly glossily, looked almost laquere painted, finished lawn tractor with flames on it like a
50's Street Rod? I thought that was "Cool".....looked like that thing would probably cut 8-10 acres per 1/2 hour.......probably need a helmet, goggles, knee and elbow pads....(smile)...
Seriously, I think a mirror finish that retains all the sharp edges on the grind lines can be beautiful ( D'Holder does a mirror finish that is extremely attractive...as do other makers).....
Bruce has a very valid point in that a beautifully done mirror finished blade can be an attractor at a knife show.....
And if the knife is a collector, not user, why not a beautiful mirror finish.....
If a user, starting a mirror isn't at all bad, you just feel bad the first time you scratch that finish......
Bottom line is, its what you like that you will go for.....
But it is ALL fun!
 
There is a huge difference between a overbuffed mirror finish and a properly done mirror finish. Properly done the grind lines remain sharp and well defined. Overbuffing softens all those lines.
In addition to what has already been said, a mirror finish is yet another way for a knifemaker to showcase his talents.

My only problem with mirror finishes is getting that first scratch out of the way :D
 
John, dont worry about me taking things wrong. This is an open discussion with people sharing their points of view nothing to take offense too. Like Ebbtide said there is a HUGE difference. Its one thing to have a nice smooth mirror polish and i applaud you for for it, but to me it's not what makes a knife attractive. To me, i look at its profile, handle, comfort, detail, flow, and whatnot. If the knife couldn't go with out a mirror polish i'll like it, if it can go either way, i may or may not depending on the rest of the knife. If the knife has a mirrored finish just because it can and doesn't flow with the rest of the knife, its ugly to me. I wont knock a smith just because his/her blade doesn't match my standards, I'll compliment it on what i do like.

Oh, and Bruce, I meant no disrespect at all. I've found you to be very helpful these past days and i'd like to thank you for it. You've helped in this thread as well as my handle thread. Thanks alot. Would you mind sending me a link to your site?

I fully appreciate everyones point of view here, and if i have come off as offensive to anyone i'm truly sorry. I've been around these forums for a while and have seen many of your works and am truly impressed with them all of them if not for the look, if its not my style of knife, but also for the amount of time and attention you spend in creating such things.

Sure most people like the shiney, like the bling, for one reason or another, and at times i do, too, my point in creating this thread was to see why. In my personal opinion, alot of the times a miror polish is used, it's not nessecary. I'm not trying to change anyone into being anti-mirror i'm just expressing my opinion and conversing with others (almost playfully) about our differing and similar opinions.

Again I'm sorry for offending anyone, that was not my intention at all.
 
I know it's been mentioned but it increases corrosion resistence. My 440 series blade on my Leek spotted with rust after being in my sweaty pocket and I didn't know why. Turns out a bead blast finish makes it easier for blades to rust. Since polishing the blade with 1200 grit paper this problem has no re-occurred.
 
Holy crap Bruce, I found your site. HAHAHA I didn't know that was you. You're tutorial page is the first one on my favourites list. I love that nickel silver sheath.
 
My question, i guess, is why are we so facinated with shiny things? Such as a blindingly shiny knife. I've seen many a great design ruined in my opinion by being too reflective. To me, a nice satin finish is the only finish i like (besides that one guy's "natural finish".

Why do perfectly healthy men without ED use viagra? Why do Rappers get all their teeth capped in gold? Why do women get boob jobs? To quote Joe Dirt, You might as well ask why is a sunrise good?
 
You ask god questions Caden. And make a few good points. With that said, let me say that we disagree. Take your statement on the old movies for instance. Yes the shiny blades may look out of place in an old western, but why. We see the real things in museums, or in collections. Not shinny at all are they. So we see the blades in the movies as wrong. Or FAKE,. But hold the phone. Are we really thinking things through? The weapons in the movies are portrayed as what was used at the time. Or at least should be. You know Hollywood. But if you were able to actually able to go back in time, you would indeed see plenty of shiny fully polished blades. The blades from Toledo were, and are famous for it. They have been doing it for centuries. As have the higher end blades form Sheffield England, and Solingen Germany. These are just a few examples. There were fine blades from other places as well. Will an finch,(Spell?) and Michael Price for instance. It is the movie makers attempt to make things look rustic and period that has led us to believe that all things in the past were dark, crude, and dingy. If anything, many items were more opulent than today. Especially in weaponry. Guns are a great example. ever look at the weapons of the German upper class sportsmen from a century or more ago. Beautiful works of art.
Now for the why. If done with skilled hands, the full polish is very striking. And shows the skill of the grinds and finish. I remain convinced that one of the biggest reasons that the makers adore the satin hand rubbed finish is that it hides very effusively the ripples, and waves of a less than perfectly ground blade. Especially on a flat ground blade. A full mirror own a flat ground blade will show a ripple like a spot light. Why put your self in that spot light? The ABS has gone crazy with this. It is much more popular now than the past. Even using the knives of the last century were never polished routine. Well, they were. It is a dodge. Take a look right now at different knives posted of top makers work right here on the forum. Pay close attention to the point for instance. You will see the points rounded, or nubbed off in an attempt to blend the rubbed finish. To me this looks very amateurish. All lines want to be crisp and well defines. Even the point of the knife. Some would say especially the point.
Are there advantages to the mirror. Yes. When you fully polish, you not only shine the surface, you also burnish the surface. This seals the surface structure of the steel. Much like painting a car. Is it like cheap chrome plating. No. When ask if I chrome the blades, it isn't a compliment to me. Chrome plating is a cheap, no talent way of hiding the flaws in a metal. But it does protect it. Even in the old days, no one wanted one of the cheaply made chrome plated guns. If it was to be bright, and more resistant to rust, the better quality firearms used Nickle Not chrome. (Don't confuse chrome plating with industrial hard chrome, Completely different animals). The burnished surface does away with stress risers that weaken the blade. It will not scratch as easily as a satin finish. With the scratches left by the hand rubbing all flow in one direction, any scratch or mar will instantly show even more that on a mirrored blade.
The high finish has fallen out of favor with many collectors. But few know the why of it. There is a rather large market for forged blades. As this has grown, we see more and more flat ground blades.( I won't get into the flat hollow thing right now. ) Hammons have become popular again. Yes again. They aren't anything new. Just revived. There are two major ways of doing a differently heat treated blade. One is the differently hardened. The other is the differently tempered. I doubt if most collectors of even uses know the difference. But it is a huge one. One is a work of the cutlers art. The other. well. We wont go into that either. If you hand rub the blade on these, one will give different colors of the steel. So you get to see the hammod. Good news. If you try polishing these blades, you are in for a disappointment. The edge will be very bright. The rest of the blade will be much duller in appearance. With one of the methods of heat treating, the flat of the blade will become quite ugly. full of pits, and waves. Showing the true nature of the steel. The hardened edge will at times even stand proud of the rest of the blade. The hand rubbed blade can hide all these truths. Not what the maker has in mind at all. Just trick of the trade folks. When you have been at it for as long as I have, you learn where a few of the bodies are buried.
 
Heck I havent taken any offense here from anyone,this is just a great thread and one that doesnt come up as often as it should....Dont worry about me lets just keep up a great thread...

If I am correct the blasted finishes and dull satin finish (low grit rub) are basicly more modern.In the past the highly polished blades were the prizes.A true well done mirror polish is a thing of beauty even before the guard and handle are added in my eyes.Polished blades dont scratch as easy as a hand rubbed satin finish either.I agree that each has a knife it looks better on and so it should be,we all have our own Excalibur we hunt for and thus we will all have our own opinions of what it should be.It comes back to that Human thing.To some a diamond in the ruff is more beautiful than a fully cut and polished one and vice versa...I do many different finishes as the knife or customer wants....

Caden,I did email you back with the site a couple of days ago,glad you found it anyway,and glad I was of some help....One of these days I will get back on my feet and be able to upgrade to knifemaker again on here so people can find me easier.

Bruce
 
Mr. Lovette, you bring alot to the forum.
Please, please please use your return key!
 
Very well put Bruce! Hey Ebbtide. Well My keep board doesn't have a return key. I did find that it will work by hitting the enter key, then the space bar to give the indention for the start of a paragraph. However, when I hit post. It all went away. You can see where I started the new paragraphs by the spaces at the end of the sentences. However, the space disappeared. now that I go back and look at others post, they aren't properly spaced either. Just a blank line to denote the paragraph. Although this isn't the proper way of doing it, I will try that. Perhaps it will not close the gap on it's own. Mike
 
Thanks Mike....Hey I gave up on trying to make the long post look correct for the same reason you have figured out so I just hit the enter key 2-3 times to start new paragraphs,doesnt look as good as proper writing but it works.

Bruce
 
Well then Mr. Lovett, you march yourself over to your bench and grind yourself a return key :D

Thanx for all your input, it is a shame that it is so hard to read.
Maybe Bruce's method will work.
He's pretty good at makin' stuff work ;)
 
The best reason to make knives shiney is that it does resist rust better.
As for human nature I think it goes back to "hunter / gatherer days" when shiney meant water which meant perhaps something to drink and something to hunt / gather (in other words survival mechanism)

ron
 
If a mirror polished knife is going to be a user and the customer lives near by then some will keep bringing it back to have it polished. Some will ask, what does it cost to sharpen, if you say it's free then some will say would you go ahead and polish it up. Like that's part of sharpening. You have to explain that if you buy a new car the dealer isn't going to keep it washed and waxed for you. I do many kinds of finishes and have no problem selling any of them. Just different strokes for different folks. When I first started I thought that everything had to be polished, well, I found out that wasn't true. One advantage to not mirror polishing is that the oil, cooking or other types you might apply to it will stick to it much better than to a mirror polished knife thus preventing corrosion. Knives today are the same as they have always been, both high polished too matte finish and in between. I doubt that the blacksmith on the wagon train and in western towns took much time to polish, but then there is always the exception. Usually if a knife is taken through the grits then the time needed at the buffer is about five minutes or sometimes a little more. I think we tend to make what ever it is that we enjoy the most. If anyone chooses to use a buffer then they should never forget to stay very focused on the position of the blade they are holding. Put some stops on the back side of the buffer wheel to knock the blade off if it goes around, otherwise it will or can get you before you can blink.

Ramsey
 
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