Why sell them ???

Walking Man said:
A. If you are refering to my other post, the market varies. I was not complaining, only creating discussion on the nature of the current market. Quite frankly, I dislike being told that I am complaining when I am not. Please take a look at this again. These are good times for buyers. I myself have bought Busses when the buyer market was good for older knives.

B. I buy them to own them. I have more than I will ever need. While I do plan to make money off of them eventually, I consider some of them investments. I also know, that like myself, the next owner will be very happy to have the opportunity to own one and use it or not use it as they wish. How else will anyone down the road have the opportunity to own a new older model if not for us collectors?
C. Not every knife that I buy suits me. I really like Busse knives, and I own some of them just to see if they suit me. Sometimes, when they do not, I sell them. Other times, I hang on to them.
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Also, I buy them for the history, to know that I am part of something bigger than myself that joins me to a group of REALLY, REALLY, REALLY great folks.
I have a few that I use, but I am not in a situation where I have a need for more than a few knives.
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Well put, I retract my statement on safe queens. Thanks for the insight.:thumbup:
 
Walking Man said:
Y'all know what a queen is in England, right?
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Yup!

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One of the things that is very unique about Busses is that even in "used" condition they sell very well and possibly without any lose of value from when you purchased it new. I have users, I have keepers. I enjoy locating, buying and collecting pieces that I've been looking for. I have plenty of users and sometimes I sell some of these as well, in order to buy others that I may be interested in using.

Strangely enough, the market is up on some of the Busses right now and down on others. It seems that the Ergo series seems to be down a little, however it will bounce back. The way that SF NO's are sought after, the market is definitely up on them right now.

:D:D
 
Folks collect all kinds of things. To each his/her own. At least Busse collectors have something that has some intrinsic value (in addition to whatever market value it has). That is, a Busse knife is one heck of a tool. Even the really pretty ones are still very functional knives.

Me, I buy them to use them. Sometimes you have to buy one and try it to find out if it is one that you will actually carry and use. If not, why not resell ?

And if you are "only" a collector, like I said, people collect all kinds of things.

Just my $0.03 (adj for inflation).
 
I know a lot of folks whose bar tabs come close to equaling my infi tab at the end of the month. What is amazing is that these same folks ask me what I need another knife for. I have two real users a folder and a fixed blade, each of which I will swap out occasionally, the rest I collect. I have far more then I will ever use/need but that is not the point for me. I enjoy the hobby and the interaction with the folks on this board. I also enjoy supporting one of the best company's around. A company whose owners and staff really care about us the customers.:thumbup: And that trait is sorely lacking in todays world.

With that said, how about that FBM......;)
 
I remember back in 1999 I got my first batch of Busse knives.

They all felt kind of special to the hand, and when held in two fingers and thunked made a sound like a piece of glass instead of sounding like steel.

Then I got to be a dealer and noticed that people were very ready to trade in their A-2 for INFI since they were for the most part users of knives and INFI out preformed A-2.

Old Steel Hearts were pretty available for about $100.00 or so as trade-in toward an INFI blade.

I also noticed that there were a few people that really prefered the old A-2 stuff, a little light went off in my head.

I spent a good part of a year buying all old Busse knives that appeared for sale in maybe 14 states, I got a table for Busse history knives as well as for the new knives at alot of shows, so people could hold both and decide what suited them best.

I took alot of knives to shows,,,Not to sell, but so that people could handle them, I got to where I had to have an Example knife of each for showing, and would not sell till I had at least two(Cept for a special few people who begged really well and had already bought several knives, I got in trouble for that and made the only person I remember making mad while selling the knives over that)

My buying up all the for sale older knives seemed to drive the price up.

Selling the old knives at show made a good profit, and let people handle the older knives.

Suddenly out of the woodwork star coming people who had quietly been buying one of each Busse knife for YEARS, looking for one "Special" knife.

And Blood started running at the Trough.

It is my opinion that Andy Prisco did a lot to make Busse knives collectable, I just helped that along, nurturing a few collectors, making knives available (at a price) when people thought there would be none to be found.

Good Times, Good Times!
 
The answer, for me at least, is very simple. I have a couple of Busse blades that do everything I need them to do, and they are my principle workers. Often, I will see a new one (or old that I don't have) come up and I'll buy it to see if it will serve my needs as well, or better, than what I've already got. If they do, I keep them. If not, then I hold onto them as an easy way to get money down the road if I see something else I want to try. There have been knives I've bought (Busse and other) that I think look like just the thing I need, in pictures. When I get it, maybe the handle isn't comfortable for me. Maybe the balance is not what I prefer. Or maybe I like it fine and figure I'll use it later, only to find something else later that I like better. Busses keep their values, so it's an easy decision then to get rid of it.

The realistic answer is that we all only need a couple/few knives to do the jobs we need. That said, the performance of Busse knives is remarkable enough that we keep interest in them even when our needs are fullfilled. So we buy, we trade, we sell, and keep up our search for the "ultimate" model that fills our souls. Secretly, we never want to find it, because then the search would be over. ;)
 
papathud said:
It is my opinion that Andy Prisco did a lot to make Busse knives collectable, I just helped that along, nurturing a few collectors, making knives available (at a price) when people thought there would be none to be found.
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For those of us who don't recognize the name, who is Andy Prisco?

Rick
 
What did Andy do at Busse? I really like ATC hawks and have a VTAC. Great hawk.
 
Mongo-man said:
i have a question to all you hog's out there. I have been reading about Busse blades for a while, and what looks strange to me is that Busse blades seem to be more a collectors item then a user knife?
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Some Busse fans are users, and some are collectors. Some are both. Why does this seem strange to you that some knife brands would attract their share of collectors? How is it that you single out Busse to make this statement? Are you not aware of the huge collector's market for Mad Dog knives, or Strider or Randall Knives or Chris Reeve? Some of these makers have bigger groups of collectors than does Busse, and their collecors may well outnumber their users! I'd wager that of all the Mad Dog knives in existence, more of them are kept unused, tucked away safely somewhere, than there are well- or regularly-used ones. I don't even understand why you would be so concerned about this.

To those who collect Busses, they will look for models that are rare, or pristine, or preferably both, and yes, they view them as collectables since they are paying top dollar for them and it would be stupid for them to use the crap out of them at that point. To those who buy Busses to use, they are usually looking for a good price and usually don't care if it's already been used.

Mongo-man said:
There are forumites complaining that their old knives aren't selling or that they don't make profit!
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So what? Who cares? Any market that is unfavorable for the seller is good for the buyer, so as a relative Busse neophyte, why on earth would you have an issue with that? Your questions really aren't about Busse knives because you could ask these same questions about the housing market, the car market, or any other market. Your questions are basic economic questions about how the free market works in a capitalist society, because if you really had a grasp on basic economics or how the free market works, you would already have the answers you're looking for.

Mongo-man said:
If i look at the for sale section there always seems to be a lot of Busse blades for sale.
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Which is good for the buyer--this is called a "buyer's market." Enjoy it while it lasts. The pendulum always swings back the other way sooner or later. Again I have to ask, so what? Is this a problem that there seem to be so many Busses for sale? You seem as though you're somehow dismayed over this. Or if that's not your point, then what is?!?

Mongo-man said:
They also don't sell at a considerable lower price.
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Which contradicts your above statement that "There are forumites complaining that their old knives aren't selling or that they don't make profit!" So which way is it? Besides, they don't sell at a considerable lower price compared to what? Camillus knives? I mean, what are your expectations in the first place, to make you say that? What prices did you think they should sell at?

Mongo-man said:
Why would you sell them?
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What are the reasons why anyone sells anything? The number of reasons are infinite, and none are any more or less valid than any others. "Because I feel like it" isn't any less legitimate than "Because my son needs a new kidney". Why concern yourself with other people's motives in the first place? Usually the answer is so that the seller can gain the money needed for his next Busse purchase. Some do it purely to make a nice profit, and more power to them.

Mongo-man said:
Do people buy these blades to make profit and pamper them in a safe?
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A) Sometimes, B) This is absolutely none of your business and C) this smacks of implied "price gouging" and "profiteering" accusations. This forum is not about catering to the Marxist philosophy that it's evil or wrong to sell something at "too high a price" (which is totally relative anyway). I hope that's not the point you were driving at and that I am totally mistaken. You have my relieved and eager apologies if I am.

Mongo-man said:
I know there are people out there that use their blades for the intended purpose,
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The "intended purpose" is whatever the owner intends to use it for. If he decides to buy a Busse to sit in his safe for five years then sell it at a fat profit, then that's the "intended purpose" of that knife. If he buys a Busse to put under his table leg to keep the table from teetering, then that's its intended purpose.

Mongo-man said:
but there seems to be a lot of selling and trading of Busse knives.
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Good for us buyers. Wouldn't you agree? If you're down on those Busse collectors who never use their knives for their "intended purpose", then sell them at a profit, then you should be glad that there is a lot of selling of Busse knives, because more competition drives down the prices, and the less profit the collectors can make. However you have also made statements to the contrary in this same post so who knows what point you are trying to make.

I am aware of the defensive posture I have taken in this post, but it's only because of the major collectors like Skunk, Progunner and Papathud that there is such a good selection of rare or discontinued models in exc. or new condition to choose from in the secondary market. And as long as there's a buyer who agrees on the price, who are you to say that they charged too much? So yes, I did perceive your questions and statements as a back-handed attack on these people.
 
Silas said:
What did Andy do at Busse? I really like ATC hawks and have a VTAC. Great hawk.
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Andy Prisco was at one time a dealer/representative of Busse knives as part of his line of goods that his company "Sharper Instinct" sold. After a few years Andy and Jerry dissolved their business association with one another for reasons that--although I was marginally involved in it--I have never asked, never been told, are none of my business, and in any case are not appropriate to air out or delve into on this forum. If you don't already know the story then you don't need to.
 
X-Head said:
I am aware of the defensive posture I have taken in this post, but it's only because of the major collectors like Skunk, Progunner and Papathud that there is such a good selection of rare or discontinued models in exc. or new condition to choose from in the secondary market.
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My thanks to these guys as well. And very often, they sell them at a price well below what they could get!
 
X-Head said:
Andy Prisco was at one time a dealer/representative of Busse knives as part of his line of goods that his company "Sharper Instinct" sold. After a few years Andy and Jerry dissolved their business association with one another for reasons that--although I was marginally involved in it--I have never asked, never been told, are none of my business, and in any case are not appropriate to air out or delve into on this forum. If you don't already know the story then you don't need to.
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"One time dealer/representative of Busse knives" answers my question. Thanks for the reply.
 
X-Head said:
I am aware of the defensive posture I have taken in this post, but it's only because of the major collectors like Skunk, Progunner and Papathud that there is such a good selection of rare or discontinued models in exc. or new condition to choose from in the secondary market. And as long as there's a buyer who agrees on the price, who are you to say that they charged too much? So yes, I did perceive your questions and statements as a back-handed attack on these people.
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Wow X-Head, I didn't take offense to his question, but I guess I didn't see it the way you did. You make a very good point about some collectors making it possible for new guys and those who didn't have the cash the first time around on some of the rare ones. Heck, they could all go into these Black Holes of INFI and no one would have a crack at them. Thanks for lumping me in with two legendary hogs as well, I am not quite their caliber, but I try. :)
 
Eric Isaacson said:
Strangely enough, the market is up on some of the Busses right now and down on others. It seems that the Ergo series seems to be down a little, however it will bounce back. The way that SF NO's are sought after, the market is definitely up on them right now.

:D:D
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yep,,,the market is defenitly up on the SFNO,, remember about a month ago, that Satin finish/blk canvas SFNO went for $791.00 on ebay:eek: :eek:

incredible,,,
 
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