Why the F?*@% would anyone want to buy to other overpriced hardcore knives?

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Why the F?*@% would anyone want to buy to other overpriced "hardcore" knives?.
When there are Busses that Cliff Stamp has SHOWN blow the competition away. Is all hype? Is it so that "they" can be a member of the tuff-knife owner fan club? (okay, you guys know which knife company I'm talking about, but it include others too) Is it looks? Hell, Jerry's knives are as much or cheaper than theirs? WHY? I don't want to start a flame war, okay, seriously, but it makes no sense to me. at all. :confused:
 
While I can understand your reasoning, these types of posts inevitably lead to flame wars...we try very hard not to lower ourselves to that level.
 
Walking Man said:
Why the F?*@% would anyone want to buy to other overpriced "hardcore" knives?.
When there are Busses that Cliff Stamp has SHOWN blow the competition away. Is all hype? Is it so that "they" can be a member of the tuff-knife owner fan club? (okay, you guys know which knife company I'm talking about, but it include others too) Is it looks? Hell, Jerry's knives are as much or cheaper than theirs? WHY? I don't want to start a flame war, okay, seriously, but it makes no sense to me. at all. :confused:
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You know people are allowed to hold their own opinions right? Maybe they just prefer the design. Could be any number of reasons. Why do you care so much?
 
I don't know.....
If things get ugly, I'll apologize ahead of time,
and Mods, please/ lock and or delete.
I guess it just bothers me that new knife owners or collectors may be sucked into buying something that it supposed to be the best, when it's not.
Also, that's why I posted it here, instead of out there, because a flame war seemed less likely over here.
 
Perhaps for them it is the best.

Kinda like arguing about a Porsche 911 Turbo or a Ferarri F360. Both are beautiful cars in their own right, but some will prefer one over the other, and at the end of the day it's their right to do so. Yeah?
 
Yes and NO, Netshock....
To me, it's more like argueing with is Better, a Ford Mustang or a Toyota Camry. Which runs better? Which has more hype?
 
NetShocK said:
Perhaps for them it is the best.

Kinda like arguing about a Porsche 911 Turbo or a Ferarri F360. Both are beautiful cars in their own right, but some will prefer one over the other, and at the end of the day it's their right to do so. Yeah?
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what!!! so you think my ford is crap huh :grumpy: ok, flame war has started! i knew it would....

mark off a quarter mile and bring your beer, pink slip and cheby truck, you're on :p
 
It comes down to personal preference.

Some people like Brand A, others Brand B, others Brand C.

This is a society where we all have the ability to chose what we want, based on our own personal set of values, likes, and dislikes.

There are those who still swear that the Yugo was a great car. maybe so, for them, it was. I may disagree, but see no reason to start a fight over it.

If someone wants to buy another brand, and that brand does all that person wants out of it, good for them. If at some point a persons choice fails them, they will hopefully re-evaluate their parameters, do more research, and buy something that fits their new level of needs.

Ain't no thing. They have their drummer, I have mine, you have yours.

Just be glad it can be that way here.
 
idahoskunk said:
mark off a quarter mile and bring your beer, pink slip and cheby truck, you're on :p
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Anyone mind teling poor overseas sob where this "pink slip" term comes from ? Is it some ind of permit or something ? I've seen this termused often when ownership of a vechicle is transferred but never really understood it.

To return back on-topic and answer threaderstarter's question: i'd never buy some knives (regardless of the hype) because their design doesn't agree with me. I used to think i'd never splurge more than $100 for a fixed blade either but i'm currently in the queue for what will no doubt be terrific ~$250-300 custom. If it looks good i'll pay the big bucks, if it doesn't, well, i don't need it then :)
 
Okay,
I was going to write a long thing about Company B vs. others,
but I'll just let it go, because I know where I stand, with Pigs,
too bad they aren't kosher.
 
thatmguy said:
It comes down to personal preference.
Just be glad it can be that way here.
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DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner here folks!

That should be the end of the debate right there.
 
faramir said:
Anyone mind telling poor overseas sob where this "pink slip" term comes from ?
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in the days of yore (thatoinkerguy remembers when) the title for cars used to be pink in color. if you were lucky enough to have your car paid for you had the pink slip. if you thought you had a fast car and big enough balls you could bet your pink slip against theirs on the out come of the race. if you lost then you lost your car!

i would have done that, but.... i never had a car that was paid for :(
 
Oh yeah, I remember those days, well, I remember my great great grandfather tellin me about them.

Stinky, not all of us knew Henry Ford personally like you..... :p ;)

But I always was amazed at how many wannabes would back down when you said "Let's race for the pinks"..... :cool: :cool:
 
busse combat, while it is a large company, has a limited number of designs available to the public. most of these knives are 200$+. if you desire something that isnt part of the normal line up, such as a filet knife, you have to have a custom done, wich can run you 600-3000$ depending on what work you want done on it.


while it is possible to define "hard use" it isnt possible to define all hard uses in one term, or one knife, or one knife steel.

hence why there are different steels for different tooling applications, some require high heat resistence, some shock resistence, some wear resistence.

infi rates as an excellent middle of the road knife steel, meaning in all catagories, it rates among the best. but it isnt the best in all catagories. m2 has a higher wear resistence, 440c a higher corrosian resisntence, and i assume others have better shock resistence. along with each of these catagories, certain steels will react differently to the given stress's put on them.

an example being that the swamp rats spring tempered spine 52100 will bend far before the busse combats infi will, while busse's infi will require more pressure to get it to bend. this isnt a great example because to my knowledge, infi requires more psi in general to get it to break in a lateral stress test then sr101, but were that not the case, the bending may be applicable in the given hard use situation - aka - it will bend and tell you to stop prying, and position it different so as not to hurt yourself, and possibly lose the knife.

another example being what jerry stated about d2 vs. infi for thin cross sections. if you require a hard use knife that must have the absolutely highest level of cutting ability possible, but maintaint enough strength to be beat on - infi may not work out for you, as it is more likely to dent and roll in ultra thin cross sectinos compared to d2.

it isnt just a matter of preference, its a matter of specific requirements, and steel properties, as well as gemoetry. infi is the best all around steel for hard use - but it is by no means the best in every single catagory.
 
My experience of owning several different brands of high quality knife is that different brands put forward a different image, as well as a different product. I think image and product are often confused and merged, and affect people's choices equally.

David
 
Walking Man said:
Why the F?*@% would anyone want to buy to other overpriced "hardcore" knives?.
When there are Busses that Cliff Stamp has SHOWN blow the competition away. Is all hype? Is it so that "they" can be a member of the tuff-knife owner fan club? (okay, you guys know which knife company I'm talking about, but it include others too) Is it looks? Hell, Jerry's knives are as much or cheaper than theirs? WHY? I don't want to start a flame war, okay, seriously, but it makes no sense to me. at all. :confused:
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Maybe they want a knife that folds.
Maybe before the Bussecombatshop their was no stocking Busse dealers
Maybe Cliff Stamp is not the say all, end all of the high performance knife market.
or
Maybe it's simply different strokes for different folks
 
Walking Man said:
Why the F?*@% would anyone want to buy to other overpriced "hardcore" knives?.
When there are Busses that Cliff Stamp has SHOWN blow the competition away. Is all hype? Is it so that "they" can be a member of the tuff-knife owner fan club? (okay, you guys know which knife company I'm talking about, but it include others too) Is it looks? Hell, Jerry's knives are as much or cheaper than theirs? WHY? I don't want to start a flame war, okay, seriously, but it makes no sense to me. at all. :confused:
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Im glad you said it and not me
:D
 
I'd like to see you have one of those "overpriced hardcore knives" actually break on you. I wish everyone in the knife world could get along, the market certanly can sustain all the big shots right now, hell they can hardly all keep up with production as it is.

INFI is a great knife steel, but so is S30V, don't let anyone tell you any different. Arguing about this is stupid, both are great steels, both companies are ran by great guys, both have loyal followings, both are top notch well designed hard use blades.

Very few of us under normal use will ever come close to testing the limits of these blades from either company, and that says a lot about how overbuilt they are.

People pretend that S30V (or ATS34, or D2, or C3V, etc) are fragile steels, it's just not true. INFI has shown to make a great blade, hold a good edge, and take a lot of abuse. My S30V blades have never let me down either.

Besides, Jerry won't release his damn folder yet.. so there's a gaping hole there in my pocket where one could be sitting right now. Right now there sits a Ti-Framelock Folder with a S30V blade that has never let me down and is built tough and slices like a champ. It's a damn nice knife, made by one of hell of a company.
 
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