Why the stigma with knives ?

... So back to the original thread .. i dont know , maybe the guys just a weenie ... 1 out of 12000 who would have a reaction like that .im over it , dont care anymore . Im justified with my intentions for innocent use as i dont carry a tacticool folder that looks like it was made just for killing someone. I use a mora work knife for work as a work tool . If people feel threatened by that then its just too bad . Me and the cust. Get along great and he later showed me his small folder he carries , and yes i did fill him in on WHY i carry a med. Fixed blade and he agreed .... and i still work for him so i guess he was just suprised or whatever .

When i think of knives , first thing that pops in my head is freddy kreuger and his knife glove . Awesome in a scary as hell kind of way . Now if i saw someone with a freddy glove i would run like a sob , but a belt fixed blade ? Eh not so scary , just me .
 
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The guy is probably a weinie. I think a Mora is a pretty good choice for the kinds of things you said you did and the kinds of things I can guess needing to be done around a boat repair shop or marina; inexpensive, easy to sharpen, and a good cutter.... My thought is that we need to think twice about the snarky in your face kinds of comments we all can make. I make them too. With a little thought, it can be a win win for everyone (and that goes for me as well).

I normally don't carry a fixed blade on my belt, but I did experiment for a couple weeks trying to see if I'm comfortable with it. Nobody ever seemed to notice, but it wasn't at work.... more shopping kinds of public environments.
 
I like bucks a lot too for work but usually just the 105 and 673 models are great working knives also in my book , if i drop em in the lake , oh well i have another at home and they are cheap but pretty good. Case med stockman ss or sak with mini pair of vise grips is my pocket edc
 
I think I like you..... :D I started carrying a small stockman about a month ago instead of my usual SAK. It has worked out okay, but I sort of miss the larger 111mm sak I normally carry. A fixed blade or another folder would be in addition to that. Put a little Leatherman Squirt on my keychain. I have found it to be quite useful.
 
Hahah , i love me some 22 rimfire when i can find it ;/ (not paying $10 for 100 when i can shoot my 9 all day for the same) ya i like both case and sak and i rotate heavily , super tinker is my favies
 
I agree it’s mainly the context and scenarios which play a role. Seems a strange enough reaction from your customer there. Here it’s normal to see carpenters, handy-men, plumbers, etc. going around with tools on their belts or in their pockets, Moras being one of the most popular working knives. Normally no one looks them twice, even when the guys/gals are having lunch breaks in a crowded shopping mall fast-food or a beer after work in some pub/bar :). It’s perfectly normal to see fixed blades hanging from their sheaths during hiking and camping activities; swords and cross-bows can be acceptable carry in historical reenactments or country fairs :D, etc. I also agree with the suggestion to politely explain why a knife is needed in that scenario and asking if they want to see it closely.


GermanyChris said:
I took my auto out the other day at the grocery store opened it with it's full thwack and nobody batted an eye so no one is scared of, or concerned with knives.
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Hi GermanyChris! One question: are the laws in Germany changed? Last year I decided not to carry a folder during a business trip in Dortmund because I understood there was a ban for carrying one-hand opening locking blades. How is it now? Need to travel again in DE next month :).
 
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I don't know. I work at a hotel and carry a large for the situation, Endura 4. Occasionally someone will say something, but mostly no one cares. I lend to it people quite often to open boxes or whatever. I don't think most people really view knives as a threat anymore. It's just a combination of media and legislation that has made knives like switchblades a "thing." Logic also states there are far bigger knives in the kitchen, so what's the big deal about a button on a knife or a 3 or 4 inch folder?
 
Statistically speaking, knives are among the most common weapons used in murders and violent crimes. FBI stats like that below are easy to find and quite consistent year to year. So people have every right to be on alert when they see somebody with a knife.

Context is everything. If you are conspicuously over knifed or deploying it for no clear reason, intelligent people are right to assume you intend it as a threat. That's based on crime statistics, not media hype.

I'm at a Wilderness First Aid course this weekend. Everybody has a day pack and I'm very sure everybody has a knife in their pack or pocket. Some knives came out in yesterday's lunch break.

But nobody is carrying a fixed blade on their hip. Why would they? It would be very odd and people would immediately be wary. The issue isn't knives or not knives. We all have them. The issue is the motive for carrying or displaying more knife than is warranted.

So great, your state gives you the right to carry s fixed blade openly. The state also gives people you meet the right to give you lip for it.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...able_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls
 
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I agree it’s mainly the context and scenarios which play a role. Seems a strange enough reaction from your customer there. Here it’s normal to see carpenters, handy-men, plumbers, etc. going around with tools on their belts or in their pockets, Moras being one of the most popular working knives. Normally no one looks them twice, even when the guys/gals are having lunch breaks in a crowded shopping mall fast-food or a beer after work in some pub/bar :). It’s perfectly normal to see fixed blades hanging from their sheaths during hiking and camping activities; swords and cross-bows can be acceptable carry in historical reenactments or country fairs :D, etc. I also agree with the suggestion to politely explain why a knife is needed in that scenario and asking if they want to see it closely.




Hi GermanyChris! One question: are the laws in Germany changed? Last year I decided not to carry a folder during a business trip in Dortmund because I understood there was a ban for carrying one-hand opening locking blades. How is it now? Need to travel again in DE next month :).
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Nope anything that can be opened with one hand is still illegal
 
Well the "scare" threshold seems to be anything over 3 for many people I know. I've had people act like my dragonfly was intended for dark ops, but I think they're idiots when it comes to knives. I usually keep a small knife with me as well and only break out the large when necessary or when it won't make a scene. If I do have a public task that requires a larger blade I usually take the time to be inconspicuous, find a corner or wall and turn my back to people to use it. Of course, while writing this I'm noticing maybe THAT looks suspicious. I try my bet to be nonthreatening, but if people still care, oh well.

There is also the "workers knife" thought process that only tradesfolk and officers should have knives. I think that's a silly outlook as knives are useful in everyone's lives regardless of job or lack thereof.
 
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Well the "scare" threshold seems to be anything over 3 for many people I know. I've had people act like my dragonfly was intended for dark ops, but I think they're idiots when it comes to knives. <snip>

There is also the "workers knife" thought process that only tradesfolk and officers should have knives. I think that's a silly outlook as knives are useful in everyone's lives regardless of job or lack thereof.
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I think 3" more or less is about the point people think weapon potentially. The shape of the blade matters too. In the case of the Dragonfly, sometimes you need to dismiss people's reactions as being a bit ridiculous or over reactive. On the tradesfolk thing.... that is a path I do not want to take at all. Compare to concealed carry of a firearm..... some states (NJ, MD, NY, IL, DC in particular) make it nearly impossible to get a permit as you have to "justify the need" unless of course you're a celebrity and then just their existence justifies the permit. Money talks and I don't ever want it to come to that with knives.
 
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I think 3" more or less is about the point people think weapon potentially. The shape of the blade matters too. In the case of the Dragonfly, sometimes you need to dismiss people's reactions as being a bit ridiculous or over reactive. On the tradesfolk thing.... that is a path I do not want to take at all. Compare to concealed carry of a firearm..... some states (NJ, MD, NY, IL, DC in particular) make it nearly impossible to get a permit as you have to "justify the need" unless of course you're a celebrity and then just their existence justifies the permit. Money talks and I don't ever want it to come to that with knives.
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The comparison to carrying a gun is interesting. I can conceal a gun with a ccw, but not a 4" knife. Supwiddat?
 
Knives invoke deep instincts in people. Show them a folder or a foot long kitchen knife and they hardly notice. But sport a 5 inch fixed blade on the belt and it will invoke fear into many causing some to look upon the person as a murderer and others to clench their throats.
 
That is interesting about concealing a fixed blade. It is fairly obvious with a folder. The gun thing has been a topic for pubic digestion for a long time and things have settled down quite a bit where most states now make getting a permit reasonably easy. There is always the conceal vs open carry discussion legalities, convenience, and of course "rights". Last I looked knives were never mentioned in the Constitution. I don't consider them an "arm" personally, but some do and often use the word right with knives. A law that says you are limited to a certain blade length to me is not a right, rather something granted by the state (at best a controlled right). The framers of the Constitution probably considered knives as a given and their commonality made them not worth mentioning in the Constitution specifically. But as I understand it, in CA you have can't conceal a fixed blade at all. The legislative agenda by Knife Rights has been making headway in many states.

Added: Yes, I do think knives or big blades invoke a primal fear in people as most people have at some point been exposed to cuts that bleed a lot. The business with ISIS and chopping heads off certainly invokes a fear and intended as such. In Europe, (pre-gun), the nobility restricted blades for commoners and being able to carry a sword was a right of the nobility suggesting they are "better".
 
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