Why to or not to burn in blind tangs

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Well folks, I will state right up front I have done few (less than 50) blind tang knives. As I am doing more Kitchen knives nowadays, I am wanting to improve my knowledge base on blind tang handle installation, all the ones I have done I feel the hole in the handle block (which was just drilled and squared up a little bit with a broach) was not a good approach for the typical 2mm thick stock i use for kitchen blades. I had just felt like the overall thought process of makers was burning in a tang hole is a no-no.
Totally open to all input/advice

Thanks--Don
 
I don't like it. It induces cracks and stress, not to mention potentially ruining some good wood.

A drill press solves the problem very well.

Epoxy fills any excess void.

A handle broach is nice if you have to open a hole up a bit more.
 
Stacy, I do have and use a drill press, ny issue is getting a slot drilled deep enough and thin enough for 2mm thin blade stock.
I don't know/can't figure out how I should get such a thin slot into a handle blank--around 3-4 inches and barely over 2mm wide.
 
I would personally use a 3mm or 1/8 drill bit, you can make segmented handles so you don’t have to drill as deep, for example making a bolster out of a contrasting wood or synthetic material then a larger block for the rest of the handle. Like Stacy said epoxy can fill the voids in handle, you can also use a larger bit like a 3/16th or 5mm bit if you need a longer bit then bed the tang using something like JB weld or 5 minute epoxy so the large hole turns into a perfect fit. Some people use a slotted dowel so they can drill a large hole like 1/2 or 5/8 diameter then cut a slot for the tang to fit into a coresponding dowel, with all those construction methods I’d recommend using a small pin the lock the handle in as well.
 
Stacy, I do have and use a drill press, ny issue is getting a slot drilled deep enough and thin enough for 2mm thin blade stock.
I don't know/can't figure out how I should get such a thin slot into a handle blank--around 3-4 inches and barely over 2mm wide.

I make more then 20 kitchen knives in that thickness as gift to friends around me . I go with max 2 inch tang in wood and so far so good .What is the point of 3-4 inch tang in wood on thin steel ? What will be better then if it is only 2 inch ?
 
I have made hundreds of hidden tang Wa handles. Easiest to make the handle in sections as mentioned above, then you don't have to drill so deep. Mill the front of the ferrule for a tight fit around the tang. Glue up the handle, good epoxy is the best way. Mounting the handle with epoxy is the most secure way and it will encapsulate the tang and seal the handle preventing water from getting in a damaging the handle or causing the tang to rust. Some tangs need to be longer to help balance the knife.
 
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This way you can go with that long tang easy .............but take time more then i will admit :D
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Well folks, I will state right up front I have done few (less than 50) blind tang knives. As I am doing more Kitchen knives nowadays, I am wanting to improve my knowledge base on blind tang handle installation, all the ones I have done I feel the hole in the handle block (which was just drilled and squared up a little bit with a broach) was not a good approach for the typical 2mm thick stock i use for kitchen blades. I had just felt like the overall thought process of makers was burning in a tang hole is a no-no.
Totally open to all input/advice

Thanks--Don
I try to burn , not that I don t ...... :) impossible mission at least for me ,used 2mm thick steel cool down too fast + I end up with maybe over 4mm hole in nice walnut :mad:
 
I use a bolster for tangs 0.94" or thicker, under-drilling to start and then filing to fit (taper tang slightly in all directions). Though it's easier if it's greater than 0.100" because needle files only get so small. Epoxy fills and seals any gaps, and the hold in the main haft. I drill the hole in the main haft for the tang, and then broach it out to fit a little bit, which keys it nicely. For 1/16" stock tangs I've used frame-handle construction, since G10 sheets are readily available in that thickness.

All that said, shaping a Wa handle would be easier if it were assembled OFF the knife. Doing the underside is fraught when it's fully assembled with the blade.

I've seen so many poorly-seated production Japanese-made kitchen knife handles with very high price tags on them, I just don't get it.
 
I've seen so many poorly-seated production Japanese-made kitchen knife handles with very high price tags on them, I just don't get it.

Most wa handled (hidden tang) Japanese kitchen knives are handled with handles bought from a handle maker/manufacturer, not by the maker/workshop making the blades. They are often looked at as a disposable wear item, once worn down and crappy, just knock it off and install another one. Many of the most expensive knives desired by collectors are handled with relatively cheap handles.
 
I've used the hidden dowel and drill slot in ferulle method and it looks well and tidy
But I hate the feel of any of these types of handles in hand
On many j knives I have handled there is some slight play and blade can feel slightly loose
Even if it's tight you more often than not can hear a vibration within the knife when you leave it dowm on a hard surface like countertop
Also blades made from thin stock with a light handle like this can feel flimsy and too light imo
Give me a full tang any day
 
I always burn the tang hole for my puukkos. It might not be super nice looking, but I haven't had any problems.

Edit: I first drill one or two holes and make them bigger by burning them with the tang
 
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I've burnt some tang holes in too
Once it worked and looked great and neat but the couple of other times I've done it the wood split and cracked
If you could perfect the technique it could work well
 
When I say burnt I mean I drilled slot with small bit almost to size then burnt fitted rest of way
 
The problem I see with burning in the tang of a kitchen knife to avoid the need to drill holes larger in diameter than the thickness of the tang is that, in order to burn in a tang you need to drill hole to the depth you want it (which is what most guys do who burn them in), which would defeat the purpose right off the bat since you would need to use a drill that is long enough, which will be larger than your tang's thickness. If you were trying to actually create the hole in the handle merely by burning, I just could't see that working. Even if you were able to get down into the wood far enough, you would need to get the tang so hot so many times that the front of the handle would be scorched open anyway, which would also defeat the purpose of trying to avoid a larger hole to get a nice, clean and tight fit.

I've just done what is already mentioned above using the dowel method, but I also use hidden pins to keep the "ferrule" (and spacer) in line and to avoid any spinning during glue up etc., and as also mentioned, I also drill about half way into the ferrule from its backside for the dowel to partially fit into, which will give the section where the handle and ferrule meet up more strength than if merely epoxied together, at least that's how I feel. TIP, use a Forstner bit to drill out the hole for the dowel, it'll go much smoother than a standard twist drill, which I found out the hard way ;). On my most recent one, the handle was a bit too light with regard to the knife's balance so I switched out the poplar dowel for an oak one, since it's a denser and thus heavier wood.

I was thinking that if I ever needed more weight than an oak dowel (as well as the epoxy after filling up the handle) could provide, I'd just drill the dowel hole a bit deeper and cut off a 1/2" or so section of mild steel round stock in the same diameter as the dowel, and then place it at the bottom of the hole. Or if you were trying to be more precise you could use aluminum, brass, copper etc. for however much extra weight ya need.

This is one advantage of forging kitchen knives, as you can leave the tang thicker for more strength (or needed balance) and be able use a longer drill bit while still being able to get a precise fit up. I've also seen some makers using stock removal begin with 1/8" stock (I've also seen up to 1/4") and grind the blade to the thickness they wanted while simply leaving the tang area thicker, almost like an integral, but not with a prominent bolster, just a thicker tang with an area sort of like a narrow ricasso.

-(edited for clarity & typos)

~Paul
My Youtube Channel
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I was thinking that if I ever needed more weight than an oak dowel (as well as the epoxy after filling up the handle) couldn't provide, I'd just drill the dowel hole a bit deeper and cut off a 1/2" or so section of mild steel round stock that's the same diameter as the dowel and then place it at the bottom of the hole. Or if you were trying to be more precise you could use aluminum, brass, copper etc. for however much extra weight ya need.

I have used lead shot or lead wire (fly fishing supply) in the back of a handle when I have had larger balance issues.
 
Natlek thanks, those pics are helpful--milkbaby thanks for those links--Cris Anderson is one of my favorites...
the slotted dowel I hadn't seen before, I think I will try that--so I just need to work on slotting my bolsters to match the tang/shoulder area of my blades.
Thanks for all the input folks!
 
it's easier if it's greater than 0.100" because needle files only get so small

You can grind down one side of the file to make it thinner. This also allows you to work only one side of the slot.
 
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