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In FEEDBACK:The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, a thread entitled "Someone stole my Hinderer!" was locked by a moderator. No warning, no explanation, just locked.

I should point out that the thread was moved to the GBU from General Discussion by a moderator. So if the thread was in the wrong place, neither the OP nor those who wish to continue the discussion should be penalized.

I request that it be unlocked. Perhaps it could me moved to Whine & Cheese?

If there are people on this forum who cannot post responsibly and carry on a civil discussion, then those individuals should be punished. I don't think an entire thread should be locked, especially without any warnings whatsoever, when misbehaving individuals can be singled-out for suitable punishment.

Locking threads without any warning or explanation strikes me as HEAVY-HANDED behavior on the part of moderators.

Who knows, maybe this thread will also be locked without any warning or explanation.
 
Who knows, maybe it will.

The fact is, moderators are more than moderately annoyed lately at the trolling we've been seeing. If we over-react or take action without a lot of explanations, that may be our own frustrations.

Like past problems, it is something that should work itself out. It also takes time for new moderators, of whom we have a few, to deal with stuff more smoothly.

I tried to read the "stolen Hinderer" thread and gave up.
 
Thank you for the reply Esav. And I apologize if I came off sounding angry. I had just finished typing out a long, carefully thought-out response to that thread, and when I went to post it, I was informed that the thread had been locked. So I was a little annoyed.

I appreciate your attention on this matter. And even if the thread is not re-opened, at least I was heard on the issue.
 
Not sure who locked it or why, but people have inadvertently locked their own threads before. That would not be a first.
 
Perhaps it was locked because the advice given to the OP to remedy the issue was to threaten and lie to the unconfirmed thief. Other people also suggested taking more violent actions such as slashing tires and being able to "help" the OP out because people in small towns "run their mouths".

I don't think bladeforums wants to get into the business of being a platform where people suggest immoral, illegal, and violent behavior as a resolution to a problem. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Plus, the supposed victim went home drunk with strangers and left them alone with his expensive weapons. He has no idea what happened. He was drunk and with strangers. And the advice given was more bad decision making like lying, threatening, and physical violence to property and person. That kind of garbage has no place here. Good on the Melvin for shutting it down.
 
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Perhaps it was locked because the advice given to the OP to remedy the issue was to threaten and lie to the unconfirmed thief. Other people also suggested tacking more violent actions such as slashing tires and being able to "help" the OP out because people in small towns "run their mouths".

I don't think bladeforums wants to get into the business of being a platform where people suggest immoral, illegal, and violent behavior as a resolution to a problem. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Plus, the supposed victim went home drunk with strangers and left them alone with his expensive weapons. He has no idea what happened. He was drunk and with strangers. And the advice given was more bad decision making like lying, threatening, and physical violence to property and person. That kind of garbage has no place here. Good on the Melvin for shutting it down.
If I believe that someone has stolen from me, or suspect someone of criminal activity, I have no problem "threatening" to call the cops on them. I don't consider such a threat to be "immoral". And it certainly isn't illegal.

I recently parked my car out on the street in front of my house. I saw some guy I don't know jiggling the door handle. So I yelled out to him "Take a walk or I'm calling the cops". He quickly left. Now the guy had every right to be on a public street, and he was not committing any obvious crime. For all I know he might have thought it was his friends car. But I was less concerned with his possible innocence, and more concerned with his possible guilt.

Threatening to call the cops is often a very effective way to stop criminal behavior, as well as an effective way to convince people to correct their criminal behavior (like returning what they stole).

As far as "lying" to suspected criminals, perhaps you are unfamiliar with modern police work. It is standard practice for members of law enforcement to use deception to trick suspects into making incriminating statements, as well as confess, when they have no evidence of guilt. Detectives will flat-out lie to a suspect, telling the suspect that they have evidence, witnesses, and even video implicating the suspect in the crime. And this use of deception on the part of law enforcement was ruled constitutional by no less than the US Supreme Court, so it's completely legal.

Lying to a suspected criminal might offend your sense of morality, but I have no doubt that countless crime victims have received justice as a result of such deception, and I have no doubt that countless dangerous criminals have been taken off the street. So I for one see no problem with lying to a suspected thief in order to achieve justice. I don't consider lying to a suspected criminal in order to achieve justice to be "immoral"

The OP of that other thread clearly stated in his opening post, and I quote- "SO, the guy took the knife. I know it to be true, though I can't prove it.". Although he has no proof, absolute proof of guilt is a very rare thing in this world. In fact, not even the US criminal justice system requires absolute proof of guilt. In this country, it is not at all uncommon for people to be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence, and the belief that they are guilty.

The Op said the guy stole the knife, and for the sake of discussion I take him at his word. After all, that's what this is, a discussion forum. This isn't a Grand Jury voting on whether or not to indict, nor is it a criminal jury deciding whether or not to convict.

As far as anyone in that thread suggesting any form of violence or property damage, those individual members could have been sanctioned rather than locking the entire thread.

One things for sure, your opposition to that thread didn't stop you from contributing your opinions in that thread. I never saw you say in that thread "This thread should be locked". I think some people only want a thread to be locked AFTER they have had their say.

I contacted Melvin Purvis back on 5-8 and asked him why he locked the thread, but I still haven't received an answer. I don't know if he has authorized you to speak for him, but I'm sure he's capable of speaking for himself. I continue to wait patiently for an answer.
 
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Perhaps it was locked because the advice given to the OP to remedy the issue was to threaten and lie to the unconfirmed thief.

Or, perhaps, it was closed because it has nothing to do with the subject matter of GB&U, which is:

This is your area to tell about your experiences (Good or Bad) with dealers, sellers, and individuals you've bought, sold, and traded with.
 
If I believe that someone has stolen from me, or suspect someone of criminal activity, I have no problem "threatening" to call the cops on them. I don't consider such a threat to be "immoral". And it certainly isn't illegal.

I recently parked my car out on the street in front of my house. I saw some guy I don't know jiggling the door handle. So I yelled out to him "Take a walk or I'm calling the cops". He quickly left. Now the guy had every right to be on a public street, and he was not committing any obvious crime. For all I know he might have thought it was his friends car. But I was less concerned with his possible innocence, and more concerned with his possible guilt.

Threatening to call the cops is often a very effective way to stop criminal behavior, as well as an effective way to convince people to correct their criminal behavior (like returning what they stole).

As far as "lying" to suspected criminals, perhaps you are unfamiliar with modern police work. It is standard practice for members of law enforcement to use deception to trick suspects into making incriminating statements, as well as confess, when they have no evidence of guilt. Detectives will flat-out lie to a suspect, telling the suspect that they have evidence, witnesses, and even video implicating the suspect in the crime. And this use of deception on the part of law enforcement was ruled constitutional by no less than the US Supreme Court, so it's completely legal.

Lying to a suspected criminal might offend your sense of morality, but I have no doubt that countless crime victims have received justice as a result of such deception, and I have no doubt that countless dangerous criminals have been taken off the street. So I for one see no problem with lying to a suspected thief in order to achieve justice. I don't consider lying to a suspected criminal in order to achieve justice to be "immoral"

The OP of that other thread clearly stated in his opening post, and I quote- "SO, the guy took the knife. I know it to be true, though I can't prove it.". Although he has no proof, absolute proof of guilt is a very rare thing in this world. In fact, not even the US criminal justice system requires absolute proof of guilt. In this country, it is not at all uncommon for people to be arrested, tried, convicted, and sent to prison based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence, and the belief that they are guilty.

The Op said the guy stole the knife, and for the sake of discussion I take him at his word. After all, that's what this is, a discussion forum. This isn't a Grand Jury voting on whether or not to indict, nor is it a criminal jury deciding whether or not to convict.

As far as anyone in that thread suggesting any form of violence or property damage, those individual members could have been sanctioned rather than locking the entire thread.

One things for sure, your opposition to that thread didn't stop you from contributing your opinions in that thread. I never saw you say in that thread "This thread should be locked". I think some people only want a thread to be locked AFTER they have had their say.

I contacted Melvin Purvis back on 5-8 and asked him why he locked the thread, but I still haven't received an answer. I don't know if he has authorized you to speak for him, but I'm sure he's capable of speaking for himself. I continue to wait patiently for an answer.

That is a big old wall of text you have there. Good luck with it. I hope it makes you sound justified in your legitimization of sugesting the OP lower himself to the level of a criminal. But I won't be reading it.

Or, perhaps, it was closed because it has nothing to do with the subject matter of GB&U, which is:

Marcinek, your logic and reason here completely disgusts me. Maybe I should write a wall of text explaining why. Oh wait, no one cares...
 
Or, perhaps, it was closed because it has nothing to do with the subject matter of GB&U, which is:
As I stated in my opening post here, it was a moderator who moved the thread to TGBU. The thread originated in General Discussion. And if TGBU is the wrong place for it, then there is always Whine and Cheese.
 
As I stated in my opening post here, it was a moderator who moved the thread to TGBU. The thread originated in General Discussion. And if TGBU is the wrong place for it, then there is always Whine and Cheese.

Point taken. Moving it to Whine and Cheese certainly would have guaranteed a serious and sober discussion of the topic.
 
That is a big old wall of text you have there. Good luck with it. I hope it makes you sound justified in your legitimization of sugesting the OP lower himself to the level of a criminal. But I won't be reading it.
If I'm here at Bladeforums it's because I have nothing better to do at the moment. If I'm going to waste some free time here, I may as well waste it on this as anything else.

I don't see how using lawful means to retrieve stolen property can be described as "lower himself to the level of a criminal".

Let's see, what was your advice to the guy in that other thread, oh yeah- "Chalk it up to an expensive learning experience. Don't get too drunk at a bar to drive and have random strangers drive you home (how much did they drink?) and don't invite them into drink more and leave them alone with your expensive stuff".

The quote I provided, and specifically the portion I emboldened gives the impression that you believe the knife was stolen. That, and the fact that nowhere in that thread did you suggest that the OP turn his house upside-down searching for the knife, or his car, or anything else.

As far as the circumstances of the suspected theft, I don't believe that anyone deserves to have their property stolen, or that they should just accept the theft as a "learning experience".

So your advice is that the OP should just accept the loss of a $500 knife and take no lawful means to try and get it back. In my opinion, allowing a criminal to get away with their crime, and doing nothing to try and seek justice, is "immoral".

And I always think it's funny when people tell others that they should just accept their loss and get on with life. I guess it's easy to say that when it's their loss and not your loss.

If I believe that someone has stolen from me, I will use every lawful means available to get my property back.
 
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Point taken. Moving it to Whine and Cheese certainly would have guaranteed a serious and sober discussion of the topic.
A thread is whatever people choose to make it. Regardless of where that thread is located, people still have the option of discussing the topic in a "serious and sober" manner.

Just because discussions in Whine and Cheese tend to be, shall we say, irreverent, does not dictate that I, or other members who wish to discuss the topic have to discuss it in an irreverent manner.

I would much rather see a thread moved to W&C than to see it arbitrarily locked, with no warning or reason given. And if the thread dies a natural death in W&C, then so be it.
 
So your advice is that the OP should just accept the loss of a $500 knife and take no lawful means to try and get it back. In my opinion, allowing a criminal to get away with their crime, and doing nothing to try and seek justice, is "immoral".

And I always think it's funny when people tell others that they should just accept their loss and get on with life. I guess it's easy to say that when it's their loss and not your loss.

If I believe that someone has stolen from me, I will use every lawful means available to get my property back.

And all of this has to do with "Technical Support, Suggestions, Feedback, and Customer Service..." how? Cant help but think this is the thread that would be better served in W&C. :thumbup:
 
I would much rather see a thread moved to W&C than to see it arbitrarily locked, with no warning or reason given. And if the thread dies a natural death in W&C, then so be it.

Well, when they make you a mod, you can do that.
 
And all of this has to do with "Technical Support, Suggestions, Feedback, and Customer Service..." how? Cant help but think this is the thread that would be better served in W&C. :thumbup:
That post, as well as post #7, were in direct response to Craytab. If someone is going to post in a thread I have started, and if I feel inclined, I may very well respond. Craytab chose to refer to subject matter from that other thread in this one, which was never invited, so I chose to respond on point to those references. And in this thread he also wrongly suggested that I was promoting "immoral" and "illegal" behavior. So yeah, I'm inclined to respond on point.

Since only a mod can tell me why the other thread was locked (which was the original question of this thread), and since neither you nor Craytab are mods, neither of you are in a position to explain to me why the thread was locked.

So I could just as easily say- what do your posts in this thread, or Craytabs posts, have to do with the original subject of this thread?
 
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