Will I like the XM?

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I have carried autos or assisted knives for years, but recently bought a 0560 and now I'm addicted to flippers. I find myself perusing the exchange daily, lusting after an XM-18 or XM-24 (especially the 24). My question is for those who have made the jump from 0560 to XM; what do you like better about the XM? Is there anything that you don't like as well?
Thanks.
 
I went from a 0561 to a 18 and it has a much better feel. The titanium side has a better texture, the action is just as smooth, the steel is far superior. I think you will like it.
 
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Thanks Chris. What is it you like better about the steel, because the Elmax is pretty good. Or as my knife reads EL MAX.
 
The XM doesn't flip like a 560. The 560 has a stronger detent and flies out of the handle. The XM is better quality in craftsmanship and is intended to last forever. I have 4 XM's and I don't have them because they are great flippers. I can deploy the blade better with the thumb stud better than the flip tab. The Elmax steel is a good steel and the price for the 560 is good for what you're getting. You really need to feel a XM before you make that much of a jump in price. The XM is all that everyone says it is, IMO there are better flippers for less money that will excite you as much. I bought the XM's for their ability to take abuse, hardly no maintenance, and you just have to have a Hinderer in your collection. They are without a doubt a great knife!!
 
This is probably not the best place to be asking that question.
I think everyone here is probably a huge XM fan.
That said, I believe Hinderers are superior in every way over ZT's from look, to feel, to construction, to blade steel, to your ability to take them apart, personalize them and of course, in use.
And I do think that ZT's are excellent knives.
Just a warning though....once you buy one XM you'll be hooked.....and you'll want more. Start saving now.
 
I've had a 560/561 both for a week or so. Nothing can quite compare IMO to the XM. But to each there own... Once it a in your hands you immediately know the difference. But the both cut stuff. The 560 and 61 are nice knives but hinderer is on a whole different level amigo!! There are a bunch of guys on here that have owned them and still do and will tell you the same.
 
Take it from me...mr falcon knows what he's saying! One great aspect is the ability to change out scales, standoffs, screws, etc. It's really cool to customize your XM(s) to your liking. Sometimes I'm feeling anodized titanium with an orange scale, or just regular stainless screws with a carbon fiber scale. The possibilities are endless!

I had multiple 056x's and the XM feels a lot more solid. Fit and finish are phenomenal, they are truly works of art. As stated above, the ZT's flip better cause they're MADE to flip that good. Rick has stated before that xm's aren't "flippers"; they're more just another way to open your knife. If you have the opportunity to get one, do it! If you don't like it in the end...well someone will gladly buy it on the exchange.
 
560/1 is arguably one of the most awesome production knives ever made.

The XM takes it up a few notches. The biggest things to me that were improvements were:
-blade grind (spanto) and geometric design
-easier opening with thumb studs
-smoother operation and smoother lock (goes along with the above)
-greater lateral stability (goes along with the above 2)
-S35VN blade steel with excellent heat treatment
-more refined G10 (and dual color ones are awesome)
-very robust hardware
-improved contouring
-better spine serrations (and lock bar serrations)
-heavy emphasis on stonewashed finishes (which hold up really well to usage much more so than many coated/high-polish blades)
-MUCH better carry profile and comfort in carrying (to me this is the biggest improvement)
-and the ability to get service from a smaller company in which I think interaction is a little more direct (Rob has replied to every email I have ever sent them within 24 hours with straight-forward information, which makes my interaction with Hinderer easier as it requires less effort to get things done I need)

(not that the 560 is lacking in any of the above...the XM just further improves upon them)


It sounds like you need a knife that is designed for harder usage...in which case the XM is a great choice as it's really built for the purpose of seeing heavy, and almost abusive, usage. Yes, it's quality and refinement is exceptional, but at the end of the day it is a knife built to handle the worst of the worst.

I think most owners of the 560/1 who go to a XM quickly appreciate the improvements but also appreciate the ZT even more. I started liking my 0550 and 0560 actually more after getting a XM as I really appreciated the design steps KAI took which for a production knife is very extensive. Even on the Thermite, Kershaw did a fantastic job in making a knife that can perform very well for its respective class at a value that is excellent. I think KAI's design considerations is why RH chose them to work with.

For a knife that one wants to be capable of hard (almost abusive work) but without sacrificing all ability to perform certain light tasks in which precision is desired, the Spanto is a great design. It favors harder work, but it can perform virtually any task. It without doubt gives one of the strongest tips on a useful blade grind. I also find the Hinderer to be designed with the flipper as a secondary opening mechanism and the thumb studs being the primary, which I personally like. But I think the way they add traction to the flipper makes it easier to use than most. The only downside to me is the price and high premiums the knife gets because demand is much greater than supply. I've red some people who do not like the usage of the plastic/teflon washers, but I personally really like them. When used with something like Extreme Fluoro grease, the knife is as smooth as any knife I have handled and it keeps that smoothness for a long time between cleanings.



I have read that the XM 3 and XM 3.5 inchers are completely different animals. I only had a 3.5 at that point, but later had a chance to handle the 3 and must say I really agree. I personally find the 3 inch more at home with no flipper and a slicer grind, and the 3.5 with a flipper and spanto. That's just my personal take, but that illustrates that the differences between the two are pretty pronounced, and much more so than say a Mini/Full sized Grip, or Seb 21 large/small.


So I think you will absolutely love the XM, and will also like the 560/561 even more!
 
Thank you all for your input. I know I want one, actually I want at least two, the 4" and the 3.5". As to the customizing, I like the plain jane model, well except I do like the ti/ti the best. Just have to figure out which knives (and maybe a gun) to sell.
I do love the way my 0560 flips, but it also flies out with the thumb stud, almost like an auto.
 
I have XM's that flip with the best!! I have/had knives with IKBS too!! Not much to worry about :D
 
My 0560 is what brought me to the XM as well. I've got a couple Kryptoglow scales & a bulletbeads lbs for it. The XM is like a precision lego set for grown men. Take it apart, rebuild it different. Toss in Steel flame, & you've got a super dressy out on the town tank of a knife. My 0560 hasn't left the safe since I got my XM.
 
I know it's just a matter of time 'til I buy one, and I'm thinking first will probably be the XM-24 because of the size, but it could be the XM-18 3.5" to save a little $.
 
I know it's just a matter of time 'til I buy one, and I'm thinking first will probably be the XM-24 because of the size, but it could be the XM-18 3.5" to save a little $.
I too wanted the 24, but I also wanted a wharncliffe. So I ended up with a 3.5. I don't qualify to buy direct, or I'd have went with the 24, but the wharnies ain't cheap either. It's a little easier to pocket than the 0560, and twice the knife. I've read some xm's don't flip great, but mine is fantastic! It just takes a bit to get the pivot dialed in where you like it. You shouldn't be disappointed with either choice.
Where'd you shoot that jaguar you've got hanging over your shoulders???
I was wonderin' the same thing?! That's awesome!
 
Where'd you shoot that jaguar you've got hanging over your shoulders???
Good guess, but it's a leopard, and I shot it in Namibia last year. Only thing that would make that pic better is a XM-24 in my pocket, don't you agree?
Jaguars live in the Americas, and are protected, and bigger!
 
That's cool man! And yes a 24 would top that pic off for sure!! Where's that leopard hanging at your house?
 
He hasn't made it back yet, but will be a full body mount next to my hyena. I'm blessed to have a wife that let me have a man cave and some toys.
 
Very cool amigo!! I have a cool wife as well that lets me have a man cave, but it doesn't have a hyena or soon to be leopard in it.... That's one of my goals to make my man cave cooler!! haha! I'd like to see pics of the mount when it arrives. My brother in law Just got his moose and elk done, now we need to hang them in his entry way overlooking.
 
Kwazy, your bil is fortunate to have those! That's two hunts I'd love to do.
There's an XM listed now with the ti scale, but I don't care for the wharnie blade. The spanto and slicer are both great looking, so I'll keep watching. Plus I need to sell a knife or two. Or a gun. Or maybe a kidney. ;)

Mike

Is the Blade Show a good place to buy an XM, or is it more just for looking?
 
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