Will there be a para 2 sprint in elmax?

00ChevyScott

00ChevyScott

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The upcoming Elmax mule has me wondering about a possible Elmax sprint. I think that'd be one of the hottest selling sprints yet, and pair it with either coyote brown g10 or carbon fiber.
 
00ChevyScott said:
The upcoming Elmax mule has me wondering about a possible Elmax sprint. I think that'd be one of the hottest selling sprints yet, and pair it with either coyote brown g10 or carbon fiber.
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+1 on that...CF would go great with my M390 Millie
 
I'll definitely be in for a couple if this ends up happening. I don't really care about the G-10 color -- the main thing that matters to me is the blade steel -- but just for a change of pace I'll suggest red G-10.
 
neuron said:
I'll definitely be in for a couple if this ends up happening. I don't really care about the G-10 color -- the main thing that matters to me is the blade steel -- but just for a change of pace I'll suggest red G-10.
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Yep, blade steel is the attraction for me here. I would have enough paras if it weren't for the new blade steels they are coming out with.
 
No I don't think they should do this. Or if they do please wait for 2013 or at least do it in some knife that I don't like. I don't think my back account can withstand a Para2 in elmax in coyote brown as I would have to order this. I'm already pre-ordered for the orange and the green sprint and really looking forward to the two interesting steels from CTS. But enough is enough!!

Stop the Sprint Madness! I need to get off!

I would suggest instead the Matriarch in elmax with either hot pink or safety florescent green scales as this would be much safer for my wallet. I dont like serrations and I hate recurves and there's no way I'm going with pink or safety green G-10 so they should definately do any elmax sprint this way :)

I also do not like tiny knives. Sal do more ladybugs we need more tiny sprints!!!!
 
It may sounds odd but I hope there isnt a sprint with elmax released. From experience, to get the most out of elmax, you will need a thicker blade. Elmax in fixed blade is absolutely orgasmic. They should release a compression lock knife with G10 handles with a blade DESIGNED for Elmax. But the sprint idea is like having a 2 inch slipjoint knife with Stellite 6k, you wont be able to get the most out of it and you couldnt tell the difference between the ATS34(which they use sometimes) and the higher end steel. If you want a steel you should opt to get the most out of it by design. Thats why I am glad that there isn't a 154cm/cpm154/ats34 sprint of the paramilitary. The manix could probably hold the Elmax up to a higher standard than the PM2(despite the fact that i am a devout pm2 lover with multiple paramilitary 2s). S90v/xhp/402/S35vn/m390 all work perfectly for the design of the blade (not to sure on the CPM D2 but ehh). They should create a sprint in another knife that will better suite the elmax or create a new knife all together.
 
Chipped Karambit said:
It may sounds odd but I hope there isnt a sprint with elmax released. From experience, to get the most out of elmax, you will need a thicker blade. Elmax in fixed blade is absolutely orgasmic. They should release a compression lock knife with G10 handles with a blade DESIGNED for Elmax. But the sprint idea is like having a 2 inch slipjoint knife with Stellite 6k, you wont be able to get the most out of it and you couldnt tell the difference between the ATS34(which they use sometimes) and the higher end steel. If you want a steel you should opt to get the most out of it by design. Thats why I am glad that there isn't a 154cm/cpm154/ats34 sprint of the paramilitary. The manix could probably hold the Elmax up to a higher standard than the PM2(despite the fact that i am a devout pm2 lover with multiple paramilitary 2s). S90v/xhp/402/S35vn/m390 all work perfectly for the design of the blade (not to sure on the CPM D2 but ehh). They should create a sprint in another knife that will better suite the elmax or create a new knife all together.
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This is a very good point to remember in general -- that to get the most out of a steel, you have to match it with an appropriate knife platform (folding vs. fixed, lock mechanism, blade size, thickness, grind, etc.). In this case, though, I'd have to disagree: Elamx is an excellent all-around steel for folders, and although it has very good toughness for a steel with high wear and corrosion resistance, it's not at such an extreme of toughness that you need a really big and/or thick blade to do it justice.

By contrast, I'd totally agree if that same point was being made about something like CPM-3V, which has such ridiculously high toughness that you'd really need a fixed blade rather than a folder to take full advantage of it. With pretty much any folding knife platform, other parts -- especially the pivot -- would fail long before 3V would even come remotely close to doing so.

Another way to address these issues -- probably not an option with production knives but definitely one with many customs -- is to tailor the HT to the application/platform that the steel will be used in. In the case of steels with good or great toughness, the main thing that would involve is running the steel at a higher hardness than what's normally found in production knives (say, Elmax at 62 HRC, 3V at 64 HRC), which would give a boost to wear resistance while still leaving the steel with more than enough toughness for use in a folding knife platform.
 
neuron said:
This is a very good point to remember in general -- that to get the most out of a steel, you have to match it with an appropriate knife platform (folding vs. fixed, lock mechanism, blade size, thickness, grind, etc.). In this case, though, I'd have to disagree: Elamx is an excellent all-around steel for folders, and although it has very good toughness for a steel with high wear and corrosion resistance, it's not at such an extreme of toughness that you need a really big and/or thick blade to do it justice.

By contrast, I'd totally agree if that same point was being made about something like CPM-3V, which has such ridiculously high toughness that you'd really need a fixed blade rather than a folder to take full advantage of it. With pretty much any folding knife platform, other parts -- especially the pivot -- would fail long before 3V would even come remotely close to doing so.

Another way to address these issues -- probably not an option with production knives but definitely one with many customs -- is to tailor the HT to the application/platform that the steel will be used in. In the case of steels with good or great toughness, the main thing that would involve is running the steel at a higher hardness than what's normally found in production knives (say, Elmax at 62 HRC, 3V at 64 HRC), which would give a boost to wear resistance while still leaving the steel with more than enough toughness for use in a folding knife platform.
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I am not saying Elmax isn't a great folder knife. But the design of the PM2 would not take the best advantage of it. That is why there is a m390 pm2 instead of an m4. Spyderco prefers to get the most function out of its knife. So I think they would either put it with a different folder or a new knife all together. Personally for lock wise, Integral lock on a massive folder would be bad ass for elmax, but elmax as good abilities that could fit with most locks. You just need the blade thickness/design/geometry etc to be fully taking advantage of its properties. I can't speak for CPM-3V because I have never owned a knife with that steel (interested though) You see what I mean?
 
Chipped Karambit said:
I am not saying Elmax isn't a great folder knife. But the design of the PM2 would not take the best advantage of it. That is why there is a m390 pm2 instead of an m4. Spyderco prefers to get the most function out of its knife. So I think they would either put it with a different folder or a new knife all together. Personally for lock wise, Integral lock on a massive folder would be bad ass for elmax, but elmax as good abilities that could fit with most locks. You just need the blade thickness/design/geometry etc to be fully taking advantage of its properties. I can't speak for CPM-3V because I have never owned a knife with that steel (interested though) You see what I mean?
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Yep, we're pretty much on the same page. The one thing I think we differ on is the degree to which Elmax and M390 are different in their properties. M390 has a bit higher wear resistance, but in terms of corrosion resistance and toughness, they're actually very similar. (See, for instance, this study, which finds that M390 actually has slightly higher toughness than Elmax at the higher end of each steel's respective hardness ranges [figure 9 at the end].) So IMHO if the Para 2 is a platform that allows one to really take advantage of M390's properties -- which I think we both agree it is -- it would also be an excellent platform for Elmax.

I think this is an interesting issue -- and one that, as I mentioned at the beginning of my previous post, is often overlooked in excitement about a given steel/platform -- so I'm glad it came up. :)
 
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