Will you still take a knife when you fly?

Originally posted by Razoredj
One need not support a policy to obey it if one does not wish to suffer the consquences when caught disobeying. That said, while I never knowingly disobey the law, I also will not be flying anytime soon if I can prevent it.
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Good way of looking at it, but I kind of feel that a moraly wrong law is no law at all. Basically, I obey that law cause the law usualy helps society, and because it keeps me out of trouble. In this case, my dilema is this law hurts society to obey. So I guess I would choose not to fly, but then, I don't have an extra week sometimes to drive to see relatives (my brother is in Colorado) or in the future, do bussiness. I'll have to do a little soul searching on this one...
 
Of course.
I will always have a knife when I fly (well, I hope I will).
My passport has had to be renewed 3 times in the last 15 years of international travel. Even though a business passport which is extra thick has had numerous extention pages added to it, I must still renew before the time limit just because the passport is to used and falling apart.
In other words, I travel extensively. I will still carry a knife of some sort even if of limited blade length. It is a must if you travel 3rd world countries. You never know what will be greeting you when you step through customs into the general populace.
There will always be a way to carry some sort of self protection irregardless of the soon to be stringent regulations.
If nothing elses, I will carry CS or Pepper spray.
Chok Dee
Rad
 
I will be flying down to Key West in 2 weeks.My EDC will be in my checked Luggage, I will not even attemt to bring anything in my carry on bag,it's gonna be a naked few hours
 

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Originally posted by Snickersnee
....We need retribution. We need to put the fear of God in these uncivilized sacks of sh*t! They need to be hurt so d@mn bad that they will personaly garauntee that no harm befalls a single American for the next thousand years!....
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As of 8:45am, New York time, on September 11, 2001 - I am calling myself a "North American". The line has been drawn. As has been stated before, it is now "us" against "them". And if you are one of "them", you simply have no idea what strength and resolve lies in "us".

And to put into perspective exactly what we are dealing with here, consider this: "we" have already been threatened with further acts of cowardice and terrorism if we even dare to seek retribution for the heinous crimes that were committed against ALL humanity on September 11, 2001.

We dare.
 
And while we have Rottweilers and automatic weapons patrolling the airports; while US fighter-planes are on CAP of 15 metropolitan areas of the country; while we sit here at our computers and rant about knife laws, ways to kill terrorists, and ways to circumvent the new knife laws; while the US government tries to figure out what to do to whom; the terrorists are probably happily plotting to attack our water supply, our food sources, maybe even the air we breathe.

:mad:
 
Kutch133,
So we agree, the slur was not appropriate. Good. When I read that statement I thought immediately of the close friend that I work with that would be deeply offended by such talk. She's as American as you or I, but she also has family that happen to wear turbins. I think of the young children that I have taught in my classroom that would also be hurt.

If you need a few swear words to describe the a-holes and their supporters I'd be glad to help you out. I'm afraid they'd be edited out though. I will also stick by what I said about, "America as a whole being better than that." I'm speaking of the slur of course.

I'm fully aware of what you speak in refering to WW2 and the Japanese internment camps. I think most of us have learned important lessons from such history.

With that said, let's get the bastards responsible.

Sincerely,
AKwacko
 
Originally posted by callahwj
Good way of looking at it, but I kind of feel that a moraly wrong law is no law at all. Basically, I obey that law cause the law usualy helps society, and because it keeps me out of trouble. In this case, my dilema is this law hurts society to obey. So I guess I would choose not to fly, but then, I don't have an extra week sometimes to drive to see relatives (my brother is in Colorado) or in the future, do bussiness. I'll have to do a little soul searching on this one...
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Well, to clarify, I don't have a moral problem with breaking an unjust law. I just believe in choosing my battles. Civil disobedience is an effective tactic for changing immoral laws, but one must apply it where it will do the most good.

I am motivated by rational self-interest. In this instance, I have examined the gains to be achieved by disobeying the new regulations, and weighed those gains against the potential consequences of being caught. I've concluded that, at least for me, the risks and their consequences outweigh those gains. That said, I will do whatever I can through legal channels and political lobbying to change the regulations. Jim March's CCW lobbying activities in California are a good example of what one can accomplish through perfectly legal means. Hell, the man destroyed the Million Mom March, practically.

Thus far, this is the attitude I take about breaking weapons laws. It has not yet been the case that the knives and firearms available to me legally (I have a CCW permit, for example) are insufficient for the defense of my family and myself. Were we to reach the point that the benefits of breaking existing (or new) weapons laws outweighed the risks of breaking them, I too would have to examine that choice. I truly hope this does not occur; I believe in being a law-abiding citizen if at all possible within the context of my ethics, and it would sadden me if my government tried to make me a criminal with the stroke of a pen.

It is of course the case that you have no moral obligation to obey stupid laws. I just believe in performing a cost-benefit analysis for every action I take that violates an existing law (or a societal standard). I'm not opposed to taking either action where those actions benefit me.

I'm a sardonic fellow, though.
 
congratulations!

YOU have been proven guilty before even being considered innocent. You have a knife, YOU ARE GUILTY! Guilty of a MADE UP law! A defensive move against "terrorists", but an OFFENSIVE move against YOU! Do you know what that means? YOU ARE THE VICTIM! Uncle Sam knows that 99.999% of human kind does not want to hurt anybody. Wouldnt that tell a reasonable human being that 99.999% of people might defend themselves/others against the idiot waving a lasagna noodle at a stuardess? I believe that the three guys who made the plain crash in Pennsylvania were referred to as "heroes." Today if they carried a knife on a plane, one that may have caused the hault in terrorist plans ending in the crach in Pennsylvania, they would be "GUILTY," and thrown in jail. Good idea FAA. You may have just insured knowledge that NOBODY will be able to defend themselves in or near an airport.


*meanwhile the "sheeple" smile while theyr bag is searched*

just like a good 'lil consumer should do.
 
Much as it pains me to admit it, ;) I have to agree with Razor. For now, the cost of being caught with a knife on an airplane far outways the benefits of carrying one. You can bet your bottom dollar that the Feds will come down HARD on anyone arrested for violating the knife ban, at least until the current crisis has resolved. If it's a non-metallic knife, they will make an example out of the unlucky soul who gets caught, in order to "send a message."
 
Well, this is why I'm aiming to get my private pilot's certificate in the next year or two. Then I can carry a Ka-Bar, for all anyone cares, and I'm not likely to get hijacked, either. :)

Until then, though, I'll have to fly commercially. Not that I do this often; I haven't flown for nearly 13 years. However, I was wondering something. I believe that Zytel shows up on the x-ray, so it'd be a no-no to put a Delta Dart in your luggage. But what if you wedged one in a sock or something? They probably wouldn't find it if they frisked you, and it wouldn't set off the metal detectors. You probably wouldn't be able to cut airline food :barf: with it, but you could make a hijacker fairly unhappy if you stuck him right. Opinions? Remember, this is mainly a hypothetical question, as I'm not planning on flying soon, so don't think you'll be an accessory to a felony (or whatever they're making a violation of this retard law).

Asha'man
 
Originally posted by Asha'man
But what if you wedged one in a sock or something? They probably wouldn't find it if they frisked you, and it wouldn't set off the metal detectors.
Asha'man
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Like the man said, ya' pays your nickel and ya' takes your chances. Got any plans for the next 3 to 5 years of your life? :rolleyes:
 
Attempting to sneak a non-metallic stabbing implement aboard the plane strikes me as remarkably dangerous to your future freedom. It's not worth the risk; take a sturdy Cross pen instead.


...and why are people always so reluctant to admit they agree with me? ;)
 
Originally posted by Razoredj
Attempting to sneak a non-metallic stabbing implement aboard the plane strikes me as remarkably dangerous to your future freedom. It's not worth the risk; take a sturdy Cross pen instead.


...and why are people always so reluctant to admit they agree with me? ;)
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I think I agree with you alot :)
And you're right here too. It's not worth it when a good pen stabs as well as a CIA leter opener and carries no risk.
 
Originally posted by Asha'man
...what if you wedged one in a sock or something?
Asha'man
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INTENT TO DECEIVE was, let's say, "frowned upon" BEFORE the current crisis - I can't even imagine the repercussions of trying to "sneak" anything onto an airplane in the near future.
 
My how times change. In June I flew down to Atlanta for Blade Show, with several knives in my carry-on bag and a Spyderco/Walker lt/wt which went in the basket of the metal detector, with no problem. On the way back I had several new knives in my bag the largest of which was a Tah-Chee Bowie from PJ Tomes with a 7 1/2" blade, nothing was said.
A week before the disaster my wife and I flew up to New Hampshire. Once again several knives in my carry-on and my Spydie in my pocket.
From now on I'll only be flying with production knives that can easily be replaced if stolen from my checked luggage. I haven't decided what to do with any custom knives that I may buy at Blade next year. I may just mail them to myself from Atlanta and not check any bags at all.

I don't believe any of these restrictions regarding knives on planes is ever going to revert to the way things were before.
 
Keep in mind people that discussion on the web is the same as shouting out loud in a very public place. Anyone advocating breaking of laws or instructing others in breaking of laws could be prosecuted in their home country.

Individuals openly discussing evading security at airports could be seen as aiding the enemy in light of current events.

Guide yourselves accordingly.
 
Gotcha. I wasn't actually thinking of doing it, even if I did fly soon. I'm not one to take those kinds of chances with my future. I did hear about a fellow, though, who smuggled a balisong onto a plane by hiding it lengthwise under his belt. When the metal detector went off, he said it was his belt buckle and they let him through. I seriously doubt this, however, as I heard it on the radio from a guy whose friend did it. :rolleyes:

Razor: I agree with you quite often, I just don't usually post. :)

George Tichbourne: Do you think Big Brother watches places like BFC? It wouldn't surprise me, but I wonder if the "evidence" of dissension or lawbreaking would hold up in court?

Asha'man
 
Upon learning of the new FAA knife regulations my first idea was to buy a newt livesay or laci szabo non=metallic knife, but now that i think about it, getting caught with a non-metallic knife would be a huge mistake. No matter what the odds of getting through unchallenged, I think it would be safer to go with a cross pen or a surefire fashlight. In the meantime I'm writing my congressman.

brandon:rolleyes:
 
I din't think that the authorities "watch" what is going on here but in view of the recent disaster they will at least do a comprehensive internet search for knives/airport/security and will turn up referances to recent threads on defeating airport security. I would imagine that individuals participating will be screened at least.

Police are nothing if not methodical. The local police used the internet search last week to locate an individual involved in hijacking an aircraft to Cuba in the 70s, he is in custody now in New York where he has been living for the past several years. He made the mistake of talking to the press about a civic project in his neighbourhood and that was picked up by a search engine. He is still using his real name.

That www we type before every address means WORLD WIDE WEB and it's search engines pick up a lot of seemingly useless information about all of us that is filed away until it is requested. I am amazed how many places my own name turns up.
 
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