William Wallace VS. Maximus

The Celts beat the Romans in 396 BCE and that was the last time. After that the Romans dropped the phalanx style of warfare and went to the open style that continued to evolve up until the 3rd Cent. CE. It was during this period that the Roman legions became the best heavy infantry that the world has ever known, not my opinion alone, but that of many, many military commentators. The basic technique that they developed was to let the Celts start to charge down on them, then they would start a counter-charge, first throwing their heavy javelins (pila). These would either impale the Celtic warriors or their shields and then bend, causing the shield to be discarded, or would miss and bend upon landing, rendering the weapon unable to be thrown back. Meanwhile Gaius Legionary would draw his shortsword (gladius) and continue his charge to contact with the Celtic foe. When they collided, while the Celtic warrior was winding up and swinging his long slicing sword, Gaius would punch him with his shield (scutum), knocking him off balance, and stab up into his gut with the gladius, disembowling him. The Roman Legionaries despised the barbariens with their long swords, viewing them as meat on the table for well-trained troops. When the first line of Roman troops tired, they would pull back and be relieved by the second line, and so forth, a damned tricky maneuver while actively engaged in fighting. But this left the Celtic warriors, now tiring, facing constantly fresh troops. Is it any wonder that Suetonius Paulinus and his Legions slaughtered some 40,000-60,000 British Celts at the end of Boudicca's revolt with the loss of perhaps 40 of their own? Based on this history, much as I would like to see the independence minded Wallace win, I would place my money on a Maximus, presuming that he was equipped as were the troops at the beginning of the film and Wallace was armed in a fashion appropriate to his time and place, in a mail hauberk with long sleeves and mittens and leg protection, a great helm, a heater shield, and a war sword and/or battle axe.

BTW, this same basic method of using the shield to upset your opponent and then stabbing up with a short blade was developed independently by Shaka Zulu in the early 19th Century in South Africa with the hide shield and the iklwa (assegai), and that was the basis for the Zulu kingdom.

For those interested in reading more about the Roman military, try the following:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0806127945/ref=sim_books/002-2426106-2770457
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/185367303X/ref=sim_books/002-2426106-2770457

Of the two, the Warry book is the more basic, and the Connolly book is the more advanced. Both are great books and are wonderfully illustrated, showing the evolution of the equipment, weapons, and tactics of the Greeks and Romans.

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Walk in the Light,
Hugh Fuller
 
I thought Rob Roy (who by the way was a criminal made into a hero)lived a couple hundred of years after Wallace. When Bonnie Prince Charlie led his revolt the claymore gave way to the basket hilt and the dirks and targe (sheild). Wallace more than likely carried the large two handed claymore or maybe the single hand scottish sword with forward swept quillions.

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SSgt Christopher Wardlow
USAF Security Forces
425th ABS Izmir Turkey
 
I agree with Fuller H that the edge Always goes to a Roman versus a Celt.As much as I admire William Wallace, the tactics he described that Maximus would use, the shield and then the short sword, would have been decisive against Wallace. The CLOSE cousins of the Celts, the much wiser and more disciplined Germans, did destroy three Roman legions in the German forest in the early first century. But these Germans were lead by their leader who was trained in Roman tactics and knew how to trap the Romans.

After 396 BC, when the Celts sacked Rome, like FullerH ponted out, it was a downhill struggle for the Celts whenever they meet Roman legiona`ires(Northern Italy, Spain, Gaul, and Britain.)History proves this. SMart money on a Roman legionaire!
 
Originally posted by christoper wardlow:
I thought Rob Roy (who by the way was a criminal made into a hero)lived a couple hundred of years after Wallace.

Your'e right about Rob Roy living well after Wallace, he was born in 1671.
Your'e also right about Rob Roy being being a criminal. Of course, from 1603 to 1774, anyone who bore the name MacGregor(or any variation or sept name) was subject to death. Anyone who helped a MacGregor was subject to very stiff penalties. Rob Roy was a product of his times.

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Joshua, aka Feneris,'Destroyer of Whisky' of the Terrible Ironic Horde
But doom'd and devoted by vassal and lord.
MacGregor has still both his heart and his sword!
-MacGregor's Gathering, Sir Walter Scott
 
UHH,neither,the award goes to me
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sorry,i messed up.
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[This message has been edited by MAURICE (edited 09-02-2000).]
 
My MacGregor (Magruder, actually) ancestor was transported to Maryland in 1651, in chains, for the crime of being a Gregor. Had he carried the name "Gregor" or "MacGregor", he would have been hanged. And, yes, the Campbells, Calquohouns, and the MacLarens viewd Rob as an outlaw. He was a leader of the outlawed clan and a symbol of Gregor resistance.

"While there's leaves in the forest and foam on the river; MacGregor, despite them, shall flourish forever!" the refrain from "The MacGregors' Gathering", the Clan song, and not the Sir Walter Scott book.

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Walk in the Light,
Hugh Fuller
 
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