Willow tree fatwood?

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Any experience with willow tree fatwood? My fathers almost 20 year old willow tree collapsed under a recent ice storm, and the center of the tree is mainly fatwood (lucky it didn't collapse on top of my pups laying underneath it in the summertime). I have set some aside, didn't really try any out because it was pretty wet. Is it worth collecting for camping?

The rest of the tree will be used for kindling, my father wants me to carve something for the family out of the little remaining wood that has not turned to mush.
 
I don't think willow can accumulate resin. I don't think there is any turpentine in the tree at all. I'm interested to know what comes of this.... I could be wrong.

Fatwood is waterproof... so if it is wet, its not fatwood. Its just the heartwood, I believe.



Rick
 
Hmm. Haven't tried it, but I've got my doubts. Willow isn't really resinous like pine or other evergreens, and they tend to grow in moist environments. I think the sap is probably too thin to really aid in ignition even if completely dried out. Just spitballin' though. Hopefully someone with real experience will chime in.
 
I don't think willow can accumulate resin. I don't think there is any turpentine in the tree at all. I'm interested to know what comes of this.... I could be wrong.

Fatwood is waterproof... so if it is wet, its not fatwood. Its just the heartwood, I believe.



Rick


I guess I have my terminology mixed up. The multitude of this wood is from the base of the tree, inside. I wouldn't say soaking wet, but it is not dry. Of course, I only had a couple minutes after the ice storm to take a look at it. When I finally got some, it had been in the rain and sleet for a couple days.
 
WILLOW SMELLS LIKE PEE WHEN BURNED.
Do not smoke your jerky with it. Just a suggestion.
 
I guess I have my terminology mixed up. The multitude of this wood is from the base of the tree, inside. I wouldn't say soaking wet, but it is not dry. Of course, I only had a couple minutes after the ice storm to take a look at it. When I finally got some, it had been in the rain and sleet for a couple days.


Smell it, if it doesn't smell like turpentine it is not fatwood, probably just heartwood as Magnussen said.
 
In pine stumps, etc, fatwood develops in the time after the tree has fallen, as the roots continue to feed sap upward into the stump, which can no longer transport it into the branches and needles.

As the accumulated sap dries and hardens in the wood of the stump, it becomes fatwood.

I don't think you would find fatwood even in a pine immediately upon the tree falling. Certainly no pine I ever felled had a fatwood stump upon felling!

For this reason alone - not even considering that willow sap is not very resinous - I seriously doubt that your willow stump has any fatwood in it.


Now if the core of the willow trunk is dead and rotted, sort of sponge-like, you may have some punky wood that you can use to catch sparks from a flint and steel to start fires - but only after it's been dried and charcoaled.
 
When the enormous willow fell apart on my Grandfather's property he had the hardest time GIVING away the logs he cut up. A good deal of it has been rotting away in the corner of his property. The stuff's just not good for much it seems.

Good for you to be on the lookout for useful materials though.
 
When the enormous willow fell apart on my Grandfather's property he had the hardest time GIVING away the logs he cut up. A good deal of it has been rotting away in the corner of his property. The stuff's just not good for much it seems.
Good for you to be on the lookout for useful materials though.

It's good for Cricket bats !!!;):thumbup:
 
Blacksmiths used to mount their anvils on willow logs set on end, and My uncles would make decoys out of willow and soak them in vegetable oil (I think it was vegetable oil) to "flatten the waves" to con ducks into what they would think was sheltered water. They would not do this to the whole set, just a couple decoys. Apparently the willow sucks up oil like a sponge when dried. The layer of oil on the water increases the surface tension, and makes the water look calm. He also used just a soaked section of log the same way.
 
We don't talk about Willow (Salix spp.) very often, so I thought, being post-New Year's Eve, tired and lazy, I would post some hike notes I use:

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The Willow tree! The bark of this tree was the original source of aspirin. It can be made into a tea that relieves headache, toothache, arthritis, and other painful conditions. (GJ-28)

As a utility plant, it was mainly used in 3 different ways, for construction, fire, and cordage. The wood is tough and shock resistant, although it's light and not too durable. (TC-314) It was used for construction (BW-94), land traps and baskets. It was also used to make bows (light weight, of course, unless sinew backed) and arrows, and many other things as well.

Under the fire heading, the wood was used for both spindle and hearth for friction fire making. (PT-200) In fact, it's the best, readily available material for this in the north. (MK-240) The dried inner bark made an excellent tinder. (TB3-63) Tinder, of course, is usually a fibrous material made into a 'nest' shape, into which the small glowing ember, produced by the fire set, is placed. It's then blown upon until it bursts into flame. It's then transferred to the fire lay. As a firewood, it is one of the most easily gathered, if you don't have tools (MK-240), and it burns with the least smoke of any wood to produce a hot, steady fire with excellent coals. (keep in mind this appears in a book about Boreal Forest survival) (MK-240) Natives used rotten Willow roots as a slow match. (PT-200) By this, I mean, a device that when lit, would smoulder for a long time and thus could transport fire from one place to another. This was done to avoid having to make fire by friction again, because it wasn't always easy, depending on weather conditions, and so on. So you see, Willow was, and is, a good fire making resource.

Now, the cordage application. Although Willow wasn't the best cordage material, it was used to weave bags, ,mats, blankets (PT-201) and fish nets (MK-242), particularly in the north, where the availability of different cordage materials was restricted.

It always boils down to - use the best material, that's available.

By the way, I read, recently, about a fishing net that was found in Finland in 1914. It was more than 8,000 years old, and was made from the inner bark fibre of Willow. (Salix caprea) (KU-29)

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GJ- The Green Pharmacy, James A. Duke, Rodale, 1997, ISBN# 1-57954-124-0


TC- Trees in Canada, John Laird Farrar, Fitzhenry & Whiteside, 1995, ISBN# 1-55041-199-3

KL- Primitive Outdoor Skills, Richard L. Jamison, Horizon Publishers, 1992, ISBN# 0-88290-263-6

WL- Wildwood Wisdom, Ellsworth Jaeger, Shelter Publications, 1992, ISBN#
0-936070-12-9

BW- The Best of Woodsmoke, Richard L. Jamison, Horizon Publishers, 1982, ISBN# 0-88290-203-2

PT- Plant Technology of First Peoples in British Columbia, Nancy J. Turner, UBC Press, 1998, ISBN# 0-7748-0687-7

MK- Northern Bushcraft, Mors L. Kochanski, Lone Pine Publishing, 1987, ISBN# 0-919433-51-0

TB3- Tom Brown's Field Guide to Wilderness Survival, Tom Brown Jr., Berkley, 1983, ISBN# 0-425-05876-X

KU- Woodsmoke, Richard & Linda Jamison, Menasha Ridge Press, 1994, ISBN# 0-89732-151-0


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Doc
 
Thanks Doc, very informative. I am using my Stompers and Gossman to carve it up, working on a review.

Got a good baton out of it too. The old dog liked it so much, he has it now. I'll see what he thinks of the JK and Gossman.
 
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Oops! Maybe it's not useless after all. Thanks for the gentle contradiction and for setting me straight. You learn something new everyday.

I guess that I recall that it was used some in the lining of violin ribs to give more surface area for gluing the top and back on as well.

As for bowmaking, I'm kinda surprised. It seems to me to be a bit like styrofoam in consistency. Just the opposite of Osage Orange. I guess using it with sinew was an ancient approximation of carbon fiber supporting styrofoam or balsa structures.
 
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