Wilson Combat 1911's

Wilson used to be the best thing going years ago. Today they are not the small shop that earned them their reputation. Today, I do not feel you get a good value from Wilson compared to the other shops that compete in the same market space.

When I moved on from Wilson, I went for Les Baer. This shop too has gone from a smaller semi-custom shop to a more main stream company. Of the two I would opt for a Baer pistol personally.

Since the falling out I think Nighthawk and Rock River both offer more value for the same money. YMMV.

If your budget is in the $2k to $3k range, you have a lot of options available to you. If you are a newer shooter or new to 1911's, I think I would stick with a package 1911 from one of the semi-custom/semi-production houses. Personally, I think Ed Brown offers the most in this price range. The drawback is that it comes the way he makes it and options and customizations are limited. That being said though, I have yet to find a real need that wasn't satisfied with an Ed Brown pistol. Ed Brown pistols seem to hold their value very well on the secondary market if you ever have the need to sell it. Will a customized Springfield be easy to sell for a fair value or will it depreciate a great deal?

One of the things that seems to get lost all the time is that each manufacturer has fanatics that swear their manufacturer of choice is the only one that builds the good pistol at the best price. Also, every manufacturer will turn out an occasional problem. Will your manufacturer of choice fix it, help you diagnose it, or will they blame you?

Then their is the instant bling factor too. If you have an Ed Brown Kobra or Special Forces, everyone from both ends of the gun range knows you have a special 1911. And yes, that chain mail and snakeskin is better then the checkering IMHO. Who else puts that sort of expertise into the 1911 at that pricepoint? So many shops just copy the other guy so, if that's what you want you can shop at a lower pricepoint and get the same pistol from a different maker.
 
The 1911 is by nature a gun that needs some tinkering to get it exactly right. Therefore, the best thing you can do if you want to get into 1911s is find a local, reliable pistolsmith that can do minor adjustments and parts installations for you. He doesn't have to be an artist, just someone who you can trust to treat the gun with respect and stand behind his work.

Without a local smith to make adjustments, you either have to ship the gun back to the maker for every little thing, or buy a low-end rattletrap that's no more accurate than a Glock because it's so loose. As much as I like my Les Baers, his service, even when it's good, takes too long and costs too much. Very few gunmakers are going to absorb the cost of overnight shipping for incoming warranty repairs, when the guns may or may not be broken, and the problem may or may not be the user's fault.
 
I've got a Springfield XD 9mm and a Springfield .45 Champion.

I've had no issues with my Springfield Champion, other than it having a bit longer of a trigger pull than what I was expecting. I was expecting it to come in around 5.0-5.5lbs, but when I got it measured, it comes in at around 6.5-7.0lbs. However, with that being said, it is a short pull, with less than 5% creep (in my opinion).

If I did it all again, I would purchase the Springfield line again... but I'd probably go MILSPEC on the .45 purchase, and then add on some stuff that I wanted. I think going for the Loaded option, while a good deal, cost a little more than what was necessary for a good shooter. I don't hardly have a use for my nightsites, as I don't shoot at dusk or in dark situations if possible (however it is nice for a STHF situation to have them). I also changed the grips from Stock to Rubber textured, as the wood grips on mine were a little harsh on the hands.
 
If I were in the market today, I would look to RockRiver or NiteHawk. Good luck on your quest.
 
craigz said:
The 1911 is by nature a gun that needs some tinkering to get it exactly right. Therefore, the best thing you can do if you want to get into 1911s is find a local, reliable pistolsmith that can do minor adjustments and parts installations for you. He doesn't have to be an artist, just someone who you can trust to treat the gun with respect and stand behind his work.

Without a local smith to make adjustments, you either have to ship the gun back to the maker for every little thing, or buy a low-end rattletrap that's no more accurate than a Glock because it's so loose. As much as I like my Les Baers, his service, even when it's good, takes too long and costs too much. Very few gunmakers are going to absorb the cost of overnight shipping for incoming warranty repairs, when the guns may or may not be broken, and the problem may or may not be the user's fault.

From MY experience with MY two Colt 1911's, I'd have to disagree with you. I have done absolutely nothing with my guns except clean them every now and then. My only exception is coming up soon... my Govt has an arched mainspring housing, and the CCO has a straight MSH. I definately shoot the CCO much much better. I plan on getting a straight MSH for the govt and see if that makes it better for me. I planned on getting at least 1000 rounds through each before I made my decision. Without consulting my shooting records, I'm fairly sure I passed 1 K on each a long time ago.
 
Thanks for the advice everyone, gonna steer clear of Wilson combat, no doubt the guns are good but service at this price level is important to me. Gonna go with a Yost or a Les Baer, see how the wait is on the Yost, and I'll keep my eyes out for LB's at local gunshows and shops. Assuming the wait on the Yost is long (more than a few months) and I decide on that I'll probably get a basic colt or springfield 1911 as a 2nd pistol. Should be interesting to see the before and after side by side like that.

http://www.yost-bonitz.com/packages/1asterisk-enhanced/ (on stainless colt 70 series)

http://www.lesbaer.com/duty.html (looking at the Custom carry in stainless)

Anyone care to comment on the pros and cons of either package? Overall quality of Yost work compared to a Baer, and anything else I'll seriously want to consider on either pistol before ordering?
 
yoda4561 said:
Gonna go with a Yost or a Les Baer, see how the wait is on the Yost, and I'll keep my eyes out for LB's at local gunshows and shops. Assuming the wait on the Yost is long (more than a few months) and I decide on that I'll probably get a basic colt or springfield 1911 as a 2nd pistol. Should be interesting to see the before and after side by side like that.

Be sure to put your hands on a Les Baer before you buy one sight unseen. I find them so tight I would shop elsewhere on that issue alone. They are good pistols but, they are not for everyone.

I have a "Yost" shotgun that is a real sweetheart so I may be biased but of the two choices you have settled on, the Yost-Bonitz seems like an easy one to make.

yoda4561 said:
Anyone care to comment on the pros and cons of either package? Overall quality of Yost work compared to a Baer, and anything else I'll seriously want to consider on either pistol before ordering?

Is there a reason why you do not consider an Ed Brown Kobra Carry? The Snakeskin serrations really are a whole lot better then run of the mill diamond point checkering. 20, 25, and 30 LPI checkering can be hard on your hands if you shoot a lot and don't spend your days building callouses on your hands. At ~$2K versus ~$1.5K I don't see the price difference being a major factor in the purchase decision.
 
The Ed Brown guns just really don't do it for me style wise, and I already have callouses on my hands from work, a few extra from shooting shouldn't hurt much :p.
 
yoda4561 said:
The Ed Brown guns just really don't do it for me style wise.

Ahhh, that's why so many shops compete in the same market space. Different strokes for different folks. ;)

My friend shoots a 20LPI checkered 1911 so, with those callouses I think you will have a good bite in your palm to keep the pistol from moving on you.
 
I'm a little late here, But Yoda don't let the tightness of a Les Bear bother you!!! That is exactly the way it is supposed to be. Thousands of rounds down the road, when other 1911 are rattle traps, the Bears just keep running smoothly, like a Swiss Watch. Quality all the way. with several thousand rounds thru my TRS, the only failure has been to lock back the slide on an empty chamber when using Wilson mags. And this is rare. If this is the only problems I have with a 1911, I'm a happy Camper!!! Mike Lovett http://www.lovettknives.com/ I will ad that It es my EDC here in hot and humid Central Texas, and carried in a Galco Horse Hide iwb, The finish still looks great. It is Brushed with FP-10 Nightly
 
Well it's done, just ordered a full house custom 1911 from Yost Bonitz, Ted himself isn't building my gun, unfortunately I couldn't afford the $$ premium that would bring. The guy building my pistol (Jason) was really cool over the phone about my questions and options, and even managed to kinda talk me out of a few things (that they would have done had I insisted, but felt wouldn't make the pistol any better). So all in all this end of the deal is looking great, and I can't wait to see the finished product.
 
yoda4561 said:
Well it's done, just ordered a full house custom 1911 from Yost Bonitz, Ted himself isn't building my gun, unfortunately I couldn't afford the $$ premium that would bring. The guy building my pistol (Jason) was really cool over the phone about my questions and options, and even managed to kinda talk me out of a few things (that they would have done had I insisted, but felt wouldn't make the pistol any better). So all in all this end of the deal is looking great, and I can't wait to see the finished product.

Congrats, the Y-B shop builds up a fine 1911.


Photos, when you get it we want photos.:D


What is the delivery time?

Steve
 
The delivery time is when it's done ;) They said roughly 4 months or so before they start working on it, so I wouldn't think "too" much longer than that. Gonna be all stainless, satin matte beadblast with 320 polished slide flats. Haven't decided on the grips yet, originally I was totally going for double diamond wood grips, but I'm thinking maybe I should go with micarta.
According to Jason @YB the way I spec'd the pistol makes it almost identical in appearance to one Ted just built, http://www.louderthanwords.us/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3821 . Only differences are mine has novaks, and obviously won't have the delta logo grips.
 
imho i would pass on a wilson 1911 and get a les baer. imho its very hard to beat a std kimber 1911 or a kimber from the kimber custom shop, every one of the kimbers i have ever owned/fired/etc was top notch, both in accuracy and reliability, no complaints at all.

also scattergun tech used to be the bomb, then wilson bought them out, not so great anymore, i still have a scattergun tech T-shirt and wish i still had my scattergun tech 18" 12 gauge 870.
 
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