Winter Clothing, especially Canadian

Originally posted by edenver:
15/16 oz wool Swedish military pants. Warm, tough, and tough.
The grey m/58? Yes, they're hardly obsolete. I have a pair, somewhere, and they're not on the list of useless things to throw away.



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Not sure if you have it over the pond,but fibre pile/pertex garments are excellent in the cold/damp weather so common in our winter.They keep you very warm as long as you keep moving,and Buffalo (the widest distributed brand) have lots of zips for keeping cool rather than overheating.You are meant to wear next to the skin,but personally I (and most of my climbing friends)tend to wear a thin thermal wicking top underneath.
This is plenty warm enough for ice climbing and mountain walking in winter,with a goretex top to keep really wet weather at bay.I tend to carry a down jacket for extra warmth when stopped.
If it is really cold then silk underwear is a first class base layer.
 
An excellent supplier of outdoor clothing is Mountain equipment co-op at http://www.mec.ca

Please note that prices are in Canuck bucks so multiply by 2/3 to determine the price in $US
 
Originally posted by edenver:
I disagree that wool is obsolete, at least below the waist

If it's good for below the waist, why not above?

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-Jesse Foust
 
down is best under a waterproof/breathable layer

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"Dream as if you'll live forever, Live as if you'll die today"
-- James Dean

-Jesse Foust
 
I have never spent a winter in Canada; however, I have spent several on the coast of Lake Superior (not far from Canada at all)and found several things about winter clothing to be true. First, is that layering works! I lived in thermal underwear from late October until "real" spring (some time around April). Of course several pair are necessary for proper hygiene. From there either a silk or light cotton turtle neck shirt then a wool flannel button up shirt. Trousers should be wool if possible although corduroy worked fairly well if the conditions were not too wet. A warm windbreaking (nylon shell) jacket along with an ear covering hat and gloves completed the outerwear portion. If the jacket is too lightweight, it can be bolstered with a hooded sweatshirt underneath. Mittens are preferable to gloves, but don't allow much usefullness as far as work is concerned. We used wool gloves as liners for leather mittens and found the combo very comfortable.

Personally I wore white cotton socks under wool socks as I didn't care for the feel of the wool on my feet. Boots were either leather hunting boots (dry weather), or "pack boots" (the type of rubber soled, leather upper, boot sold by LL Bean as "Maine guide boots" or Sorrell). Pack boots contain a felt liner which was very comfortable and warm. In fact, if I were doing a lot of work in them I found that pack boots caused my feet to sweat a great deal, so they were probably too warm!

During my winters up there I did considerable work with the Native Americans in the outdoors so I learned quickly what worked and what did not.

Hats are a personal choice, ski masks are great when the wind is up. I liked the knit "stocking" caps (sometimes called toboggans here in the south) which I grew up with. As long as the ears and top of the head were covered I stayed very warm.

Today's new miracle fabrics and polymer clothing are probably better than what we had in the eighties, but with the exception of polypro underwear I doubt I would vary my choices much today.
 
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I liked the knit "stocking" caps (sometimes called toboggans here in the south)[/B][/QUOTE]

First of all....they are called TOQUES
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(say it like tooookes) and if you come to Canada and call them "knitted stocking caps" the locals will make you eat "poutine"
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Also, if you plan on wearing a "SnowGoose" down parka...it had better be really cold (-35C) and you had better be relatively motionless because they pack a hugh amount of insulating value.

Man, I get a kick out of dialectal differences!
 
Hey Everyone!!

Us Canadians like it cold!! In addition to being addicted to the knife madnesss I've been skiing and snowboarding for the last ten years. Two of those as a patroller for the Canadian Ski patrol!!!

If you want to be warm,

Don't wear cotton, synthetic is best.

Layer your clothing.

Don't overheat.

My clothing comes from companies like The North Face, Sierra Designs, MEC etc. These companies make outdoor clothing for Skiiers, Boarders, Mountain Climbers and the like. I don't climb mountains, but check out what these guyz put on thier bodies, they let thier lives depend on the quality of thier clothing.

I have a North Face 700fill Down jacket. Down is the warmest thing on the planet bar none. (I never wear it though, never cold enough and it makes me look like a beach ball :-)

TornAdo

P.S Most IMPORTANT!!! ---> Dont forget to wear your TOQUE!!!

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Amen Brother! If the good Lord had intended us to wear natural fibers he would not have invented polypro, fleece and Gore-Tex.

If I'm gonna be moving about, whether backpacking or just light hiking, lighter is better. I'd rather be a underdressed, shiver a bit, and move about to stay warm. Overdressed means overheated, and wet plus cold can spell dead.

A hat is probably the single most useful cold weather item. Removing it can allow heat to escape and prevent one from overheating when moving. Donning it in camp or during periods of inactivity traps heat in the body. Remember heat rises, and some of the lore says 38 percent of one's body heat disappears out the head. Again fleece rules, but a dense wool cap also works great.


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Toques are ok, but my personal preference is a good muskrat or coyote fur cap with ear flaps. Now if they could come out with this with a poly propylene liner and thinsulate and gore-tex as well as the fur ear flaps I 'd be content.
 
Ken Grubb says:

Again fleece rules, but a dense wool cap also works great.
Donald mentioned LandsEnd and their Polartec reasonably favorably.

I bought a Polartec hat from LandsEnd a year or two ago. When it arrived, I put it on (indoors) and thought it seemed like a nice warm and comfy hat. When I went outdoors wearing it, it was as if the hat had disappeared. It turned out that the Polartec was so porous that the wind (or even gentle breeze) didn't even notice it.

Other brands of fleece hat may be better, but stay away from the LandsEnd or Polartec unless you have something that provides at least a little bit of wind barrier. Be warned.

Paul
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I'm not bald -- I'm just too tall for my hair.
 
How cold do you want to go? The best really cold weather gear I ever heard of was made by Northern Outfitters called the EXP system - a synthethic suitable for the high arctic, and also waterproof. They're defunct.
The next best thing is fur, but unless you're Inuit or an expert kabloona and know what you're doing, it isn't the best option. It is absolutely essential to layer to control how hot you get but mostly to control your sweat, because if you get wet in the remote cold you freeze. And probably die.
Base layer can be silk or some kind of polypro/fleece. I like Marmot, Patagonia or MEC, but the runners' stuff like Hind and New Balance is actually really good. Mid layer [if you wear 3]can be polypro/fleece or primaloft; and main layer for insulation - I think down is the best unless moisture is a real problem. If you are going near ice and snow, some protective shell is a good idea for the down. I like Dryloft rather than Goretex because it breathes better and if it's really cold you shouldn't need the extreme wetness protection of goretex. Pertex makes something similar called Pertex Endurance.
Who makes good gear? There are lots of makers. For Primaloft I love Integral Designs out of Calgary, and they do custom work, but MEC is pretty good for lighter pieces. For down, Feathered Friends out of Seattle, Marmot, Valandre and North Face all make good stuff. FF does custom work, though.
Wool vs fleece: there are arctic explorers who died because their wool clothing didn't cut it. I personally tripped in Northern Ontario for years in fall and my wool gear was brutal. I'm much happier in primaloft or fleece [but something has to be done to the fleece to cut wind like a nylon facing or, better yet, windstopper]. For pants, I prefer different material, either Spandura or a nylon/poly mix, of a goretex bib. Newer goretex xct, I think it's called, should be better because it's supposed to be 25% more breathable.
But for really cold conditions like high arctic or antarctic winter or on a mountain, thems that really know their stuff and whose lives depend on it, and that don't include me, use fur or down - and everyone layers, even the Inuit. That seems to be the key.
 
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