WIP Cherokee Rose Sheath ?

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Hey All,
Been away too long and thought a WIP sheath build would be a cool way to come home. Any interest?? If so I will get some pics together and show you all how I do my sheaths (well mostly how I do them :D). Just know that I am completely self taught and probably don't do things the right or proper way, but my methods work well for me. I recently picked up a fine example of a Cherokee Rose from a brother here and figured it would be a great blade for a WIP thread. Plus I wanted to show brother Bawanna that I have indeed been practicing in my absence.
 
Well duh? Pictures of course. And a teaser to boot, now we probably gotta wait a week huh?

I love you man.
 
Alright here goes,
When I get a blade the first thing I do is make a template, I use a manilla folder to do the tracing as it is more rigid than paper. I follow the shape of the blade and then I use a compass to trace my welt width, the welt width is determined by the thickness of the blade, sometimes it takes a build up of the welt on one side to get the width you need.
Her is a pic of the initial template, I make several templates for the top and bottom,


As you might see from the bottom of the pic I have the welting cut out of the template. Once this is done and im happy with the design, I cut everything out and get ready to transfer to the leather. Once im ready to cut my leather, I check everything and double check, here is where you can make an easy mistake, depending on which side the sheath is going, the template has to be set on the proper side to transfer properly, if not you get a lefty sheath instead of a right. I then trace the template on the leather using a fine point red marker (big hint here), why red????? Usually before a build you know the color you are going to dye the sheath, if your using browns the red marker will blend and disappear in the dye, if you use black it will blow through the color and you will see it. More later.
 
Lol Bookie, im working on it know taking some more pics for ya and trying to get them to uploaded to photobucket which is horrible these days.
 
Well I had stuff to do today but guess now I'll just set here and wait. Actually I set pretty much wherever I go so we're good.

No rush, tomorrows another day. That's for me, you get to clickin dig?
 
Ok here are a few more pics of the process and my work area. This photo is a few cut outs after tracing, I always cut bigger and then shape to the lines later, you can see one has some black marker on it and the other red, the black is no big deal cause that sheath is colored black.

Here are a few pics of my workbench and some of the tools that I use when working, the grenade in the corner is the complaint dept!!!

I use a few cutting boards and a piece of granite to work off of, the granite is for stamping and carving as I need a hard surface to work with.
Some of my tools

And my custom stamp,

These are the only power tools I use, everything else is by hand,

More later
 
Welcome back Pugs! I was going to drop a complaint cause we havent seen enough of you lately but ill hold off on that now:rolleyes: Cool thread man! This is interesting already! I recognize a few of them tools like that hi tech texturing tool. Hmmm? Cute little draw knife there too. Ill just wait and see what you do with that:thumbup:
 
I dig that dremel drill stand, looks way more sophisticated than mine.

I wish mine had a crank up knob, rather than loosen and slide up and down. Would be nice to have more repeatability or at least be able to make finer adjustments.
 
Thanks Ndog, it's good to be home, and yes there she is, my best tool in the lot, the draw knife I dont use for leather work but I do use it for making my walking sticks, gets the bark off very well. Bawanna that is a dremel drill press attachment, got it at Lowes and it works amazing. Gonna post up a few of my most used tools to show you how they work, there actually is a lot of little steps that go into making a sheath and these tools make it easy to do so.
The first one is called a groover, it has an adjustable arm on it to set different widths on the leather, it cuts a groove in the leather that I use to set my stitching holes and my line work. I use this tool because it recesses the stitching in the leather to protect it from abrasion and cuts and it looks nice.

The next one sets my stitching holes for nice and even spacing between stitches, this tool comes with a few wheels that change the holes per inch, one has 5 then 6 and 7 lines per inch, normally I use the 6 lpi but for this large of a sheath I did 5 lpi.

And the last one is my edger, this sometimes is a missed step when people make sheaths. Using this tool it gives your edges a nice rounded look and does not look so sharp edged.

All these little steps make a huge difference for the end result and a worth the extra time to do.
Now I was already working on this sheath before I decided to do a WIP so im skipping a few steps but I will mention them here. After I cut out my rough shapes and then cut the welting and glue it up, I always leave extra to the outside so I can sand to shape later. This sheath required a second welt for the spine due to the thickness, so it was glued up as well. Once that is glued up I have to taper the welt at the front so it blends or tapers nicely in. I do this on the belt sander and then start my mock up. Here is where I probably differ from other builders, to get the sheath shaped properly I dab some glue in a few spots on the front and back of the sheath and set them together, from there I use the belt sander to shape and clean up the edges. The sander makes short work of this. Also a safety note here, when I sand I always use a respirator/dust mask, I also use a shop vac attached to the sander collect the leather dust. Once I have it shaped I use my groover to set my first line, then I use the stitching hole tool to set the holes and move over to the dremel and start making the stitch holes. Here is where we catch up. Here are a few pics after the holes are done.
This is after shaping and setting the holes, it's starting to look like something,

The Rose and the Sheath looking pretty good

And one with the Rose set in and the top placed over it.

Here is one after using the edger to clean up the edges,

Now I need an opinion, I have been practicing on my carving some and thought well this is a Cherokee Rose, it might be fitting to do a rose on the front. Now I know there is a flower that is called a Cherokee Rose, but I thought a traditional looking rose would be pretty cool so I carved up a few to see how they looked, so here they are, tell me what ya think and if it would be a nice touch to the sheath????

That's it for now my fingers are tired, hope you are liking it so far.
My pics might not be showing properly, if so let me know im trying to fix it.
 
Now I need an opinion, I have been practicing on my carving some and thought well this is a Cherokee Rose, it might be fitting to do a rose on the front. Now I know there is a flower that is called a Cherokee Rose, but I thought a traditional looking rose would be pretty cool so I carved up a few to see how they looked, so here they are, tell me what ya think and if it would be a nice touch to the sheath????

Awesome...thanks for the notes and pics!

My opinion, I like the rose carving on the right, on the dark brown leather.
 
...I carved up a few to see how they looked, so here they are, tell me what ya think and if it would be a nice touch to the sheath????

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Most attractive to me would be only one rose, the same as the bigger one in the dark brown sample.

Thanks for taking the time to post all this, Pugs, it looks awesome.
 
You might have to flip a coin Pugs:D I like the one on the left with the stems and bud but on the dark leather to match the handle. Pretty much a tossup tho. Both are cool! Excellent carvings!
 
Most attractive to me would be only one rose, the same as the bigger one in the dark brown sample.

Thanks for taking the time to post all this, Pugs, it looks awesome.

I agree with Steve. A large single Rose about an inch or so below the throat would look great.
 
Yes it would... Great work Pugs, as usual lol. Man you make it look easy. But I know it isn't. The Rose now has a home fit for a king/queen... Not sure what sex the Rose is, prob a very large girl that gets her what she wants. One way or another!
 
Thank You guys for the positive feedback, been meaning to do this for a while, slows the process down a bit but no worries it's for me anyho. I like the idea of the single rose as Steve and Karda said. It will be just enough to make it stand out. The sheath is going to be the same brown as pictured, the other rose I just left natural with some conditioner on it. Thanks again and I will continue tomorrow.
 
Thanks much Phillll,
Hey does anyone know a better picture storing site other than photobucket, I am about done with them, trying to load and edit some pics for my post and since there new site, it take hours to do it, I wish they never switched.
 
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