WIP... Knife #1 (or #2)

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I thought if would be fun to post a WIP of knife #1... my first knife {to be} completed {hopefully}. I have been grinding blades since February, when I got my KMG up and running, but had not been able to finish a knife as I didn't have tools to attempt a decent heat treat. A few weeks back I had a kiln show up at my front door... so here we go.:p

The first photo shows the first two blades that I ever ground on the KMG. I guess you could call the top one Knife #0 because I was not happy with my first attempt at grinding... finishing it would be a waste of time in my opinion... so the bottom blade gets to be Knife #1.
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The photo above shows the blade before I drilled holes in the tang and then, for additional weight reduction, tapered the tang as well.

The next photo is a shot of my HT set-up ready for its maiden voyage. Kiln is a Sugar Creek BKK. Quench tank is a roasting pan (I think that Kevin gave me the idea for this). Quench tank is filled with Parks 50 at 130F.
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Knife #1 is made from 3/16" 1080. Everyone says that heat treating 1080 is fairly simple... but I was nervous as hell about messing it up. So I taped my HT recipe to the wall by the kiln.:D
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... continued.

Well heat treating went way better than I had imagined. I did not burn off my eyebrows... the oil didn't flash, so consequently I was able to maintain control of my bladder.:thumbup:

I ended up heat treating two knives. This is what they looked like after tempering in my kitchen oven.
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And this is what Knife #1 looked like after preliminary clean up.
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So this afternoon I started work on the handle. The scales are stabilized black ash (if I remember correctly). In this photo they are rough-shaped and held on with a couple of temporary 1/8" brass pins. I have some acraglass on order from AKS, so I'll use that and three 416SS pins to finish it.
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I also have to do some more sanding and polishing, get some stencils made, etch a logo, learn leather-craft, make a sheath, and sharpen the edge. At the rate I'm going, it'll be done in early 2010. ;)

Erin
 
I dig your shop. Oddly, in that first picture from what I can see, I like the blade grind on the top knife better. The bottom knife looks good, just not agreeing completely with my completely arbitrary aesthetics. I like the handle wood choice, too.
 
Hey, tapering the tang on your first knife?! Way to go, keep the spirit flowing. :thumbup: Nice looking knives and shop - but a bit too clean for my taste. Hopefully you'll soon be so busy making stuff that you won't have time to sterilize your walls and floor. Looking forward to the finished work. Looks to me like taking your time is really paying off and the ultimate product is going to be very nice. Keep us posted.
 
I believe that pride is very much a sin...

That being said, I am the type of person who will not attempt a task until I feel that I have a reasonable chance of being proud of the results. There was a LOT of learning that I had to do before purchasing even my first bar of steel, let alone touching it to a grinder. And I try to plan everything in advance.

You want to know what was {pretty much} the first tool that I ever bought for knife making?... Believe it or not, it was 5-gallons of Parks 50. I didn't have a grinder. I didn't have steel. I did not have a kiln or a quench tank in which to put the oil. But I had decided that I'd eventually like to try my hand at a hamon/differential heat treat. I had done a great deal of reading on which steels are which, and which ones would work best for what I wanted. And I also read-up on how they should be heat treated without shattering into a million pieces (a la water quench). Patrick had Parks 50 posted on the for-sale forum (and I wasn't sure how long the opportunity would last) so I bought some. That 5-gallon pail sat in my basement for half-a-year calling me to get things started.

So then, sometime in January, I bought some bars of 1080 and 1095 from Mr. Kelly Cupples (a great guy to deal with by-the-way). About the same time, I ordered my KMG from Rob (another excellent transaction).:thumbup: There is a thread somewhere around these forums where a number of kind forumites provided guidance and insight that proved instrumental in getting my VFD-driven motor running.

Right about now, many people would have just fired-up their grinder and started making dust. I didn't. I didn't want to make dust, I wanted to make knives... and I realized that I had no idea how to go about grinding a knife. Again, this is where a couple of friendly forumites stepped in. I was given the opportunity to spend the better part of a day in Mr. Nick Wheeler's shop... where I learned a great many things about forges, damascus, presses, refractory cement and cleanliness. ;) He also took the time to show me some methods for laying out a knife, flat-grinding and tang-tapering. One thing that really impresses me about Nick is the focus he puts on precision and clean lines. You don't see much of the blending that a lot of makers use (oftentimes to hide mistakes). All lines are crisp and clean. He had drawers full of abandoned blades that many makers would proudly display. That made an impression.

A few weeks later, I had the opportunity to hang out with Matt Cook of Pinoy knife. I have always been a fan of the balisong, and when I heard that Matt had moved to the area I jumped at the chance to spend the day at his place. The dude drinks a lot of Dr. Pepper. He's also mad genius... (by "mad", I mean as a hatter :p... by "genius", I mean "mad as a hatter".) The dude can grind. Anyone that can grind as well as he can on a single-speed Wilton square wheel screaming balls-out is a grinding genius in my book. His shop, on the other hand, is nowhere near as clean as Nick's. :p Matt showed me quite a bit about hollow-grinding, scotch-brite, buffers, epoxy, handles, pins and leather. I left his shop with a hollow-ground D2 blade with a beautiful set of stabilized California Buck-eye scales attached (and curing)... and also a fear of gigantic cats.

Since then I have ground a handful of blades of different designs: flat-ground skinners and small Bowies, hollow-ground recurves both small and large. With this year's tax return I was able to finally invest in a HT kiln. I chose to finish this knife first for several reasons. To begin with, I figured I would keep it simple for my first HT by through-hardening rather than attempting a hamon. This knife seemed like it would be great with a through-hardened blade... and being made from 1080, probably wouldn't have a very visible or active hamon anyway. Secondly, my design for this blade (unlike some of the others) utilizes a simple handle design; just scales... no bolsters or guards. Keeping it simple.

Thanks for all the feedback.

Dave; yep, that end of the shop is fairly clean. Must be Nick's influence. ;)

Actually, I had to do quite a bit of clean-up just to find a space to put the kiln and quench. Eventually I'd like to build another work-bench with cabinets at that location for them both to sit on. The other end of the shop (near the grinder) is not nearly so clean.

Thanks to everyone who helped me get this far. This forum has been, and continues to be, an invaluable resource for newbs like myself.

Now I have to finish assembling my etcher.

Erin

... dude, I wrote a book.
 
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Thanks for the write up Now I don't feel as guilty about how long it has taken me to research and start.
 
Things are still moving fairly slow on this knife. I'm still waiting for the acraglas I ordered so I can glue things up. I did order some stencils from Mr. Grospitch last weekend, so I'm really excited about that.:D

The pics below show the knife as it sits today (in a makeshift light tent made from 11x17 paper on my desk at work).

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The picture below is knife #2 (I guess... it's actually the fifth knife I ground)... it appeared earlier in this thread in a photo that showed it immediately post-HT.
In this photo I have rough-fit some 416ss bolster material and ground the dovetail bevels into the bolsters and the slabs of James Todd's green G-11.
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I'll be sure to post some nice pics of these whenever they get finished.

Erin
 
Those are turning out exceptionally well; extremely impressive work for your first two knives. I look forward to seeing them finished.
 
Looks like slow is good to me! Dovetailing bolsters on your second knife? Way to go! :thumbup: I'm enjoying this thread quite a lot.
 
Thanks Dave...

That's my motto, "Go big or go home".:cool:

Well actually, my motto might be "You gonna eat that last piece of pizza?".

Anyway, I got the chance to do some bolster-shaping on knife #2 when I got home from work. Today was a pretty good day as far as the quality of packages on my front porch is concerned.:thumbup: I got my stencils from Mr. Grospitch and a couple new sets of stabilized scales from my ultra-secret (yet somewhat unreliable) scale source. I still haven't received my order of epoxy though, so haven't been able to work on knife #1.

So this is a quick shot of knife #2 as of a few hours ago. I still have a lot of clean-up to do on the bolsters including running the back-sides across the disc sander a few times. The finished pins will be 416ss to match the bolsters... the brass ones shown are just temporary to hold everything together. Sorry for the poor quality of the photo.
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Erin
 
Yeah... It's my goal with this thread to show that, with all this fancy equipment the knives practically make themselves. Who needs knowledge, skill, or talent... You wanna build a fancier knife, just buy fancier machines. :p

All this time I thought my knifemaking heroes had developed skills ant talent through years of practice. Turns out Raymond Richard hammers out all his blades with a digitally-controlled platinum hammer, does heavy grinding with high-carat diamond belts driven by a 600hp Maserati engine and does all his quenching in printer ink (which everybody knows is the most expensive liquid on Earth).:eek:

Now I have to go back to catching all of the awesome knives that keep falling out the open door of my kiln. They're starting to pile up on the floor. :D

Erin
 
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Yeah... It's my goal with this thread to show that, with all this fancy equipment the knives practically make themselves. Who needs knowledge, skill, or talent... You wanna build a fancier knife, just buy fancier machines. :p

All this time I thought my knifemaking idols had developed skills ant talent through years of practice. Turns out Raymond Richard hammers out all his blades with a digitally-controlled platinum hammer, does heavy grinding with high-carat diamond belts driven by a 600hp Maserati engine and does all his quenching in printer ink (which everybody knows is the most expensive liquid on Earth).:eek:

Now I have to go back to catching all of the awesome knives that keep falling out the open door of my kiln. They're starting to pile up on the floor. :D

Erin

ROFLMAOOL :p:p:p

Great knives, even for an experienced maker. But for a 1st or 5th, it is exceptional, even with fancy equipment...
 
My Acraglas showed up yesterday, so I was able to epoxy everything together tonight. I also finally got my Crawford etcher to function properly, so I was able to etch my logo before attaching the scales. Here's a quick snapshot of the blade all clamped up. Looks like I'll be able to call knife #1 finished soon (except for leather).

Erin

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Know whut, fellas? I like this fella Hypocrite. Nice work and nice running tab and pics on his progress. I don't need to say, "Keep up the good work, fella". You are doing a fine job, H!

Edited to add, I get my Acra Glas directly from Brownells. It would probably save you some money to order it directly from them. I find that the 'glas gel works better for me and is easy cleanup if done before the one hour setup time is gone.
 
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Erin,
Your work looks very good, as is the practice of doing your homework
....before putting steel to grinder.

A suggestion:....Move the tool board that blocks the window above
your quench tank so that smoke/fumes can be more easily vented.
 
John,

Thanks for the feedback. I bought my Acraglas from AKS. They are fairly local to me, but were out of stock. Sounds like this particular epoxy is fairly popular. I haven't tried the gel... but can vouch that this stuff is messy as hell. ;)

Russ,

That's not a window behind the tool-board... it's a 4' fluorescent hanging from the ceiling. :p I had to go back to the photo to figure out what you were talking about, but it does look like the top of a window doesn't it? On the back side of that tool board is the block wall of my basement... then nothing but dirt. :D

Today I'm sanding the pins flush and cleaning up the profile of the handle (so tang and scales are completely flush. If I finish sanding and buffing, I plan on applying a bit of tung oil. Then I have to finish building my light box, and maybe I'll be able to post some photos in the next couple days.

The other knife (knife #2... with the bolsters) is on hold until I can get a 2/0 taper reamer. Should get here next week sometime.

In the meantime, I may apply some clay to blade #3 (here's a preview... one blade only... this is a composite photo showing both sides).

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Erin
 
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