Without power for a week...

Back in the day people stupidly sold their mineral rights to the gas company for little next to nothing. In return they were given (usually) a small amount of money and free gas from the resulting well. Some people were better at negotiating and even got royalties(payments ) if the well produced over a certain level.

Our deal is we get 200,000 cu/ft a year of free gas. If we go over that we have to pay. Only did it once when we sprang a leak. The gas line is hooked up just like any other. Only disadvantage is the line from the well to the house is your responsibiltiy and the "field gas" has moisture and often if you have a cold night around zero and then a sunny morning the ice crystals will cause the regulator to shut off the gas and you come home to a cold house. It's easy to get back on though.
 
I have to say I am surprised at the lack of fore thought that goes into this line of thinking.

You all do have a water filter. you do? right? A Katadyn can be had for less than fifty bucks that will filter a couple gallons every 20 minutes. All you have to do is refill the bag.

Generators, Honda's are nice but why buy one that needs gas every couple of hours, buy a diesel, a few hundred bucks more, but they will pay for themselves in week of use just in fuel savings. You do have a back up generator plumbed into your NG line. cost is about $2K-3K you never even notice that the neighborhood has gone dark.

Water tank. IF you get a hundred gallon tank and plumb it into your cold water line as an inline bubble tank, You have a naturally regenerated water supply that will last you a month of subsistence living.

Remember when the power and water die, you do not need to take two showers a day, was the dishes in a dish washer, run full loads of clothes in the washer. You need about a gallon for cooking and food prep. you should drink about a half gallon to a gallon depending on temp, labors, and physical condition. Other than that, you can use Grey water to flush the toilet if the sewer connections are working.

In our house, we have a 150 gallon polypro water tank plumbed in. Two years ago when we lost water due to a crushed water main, we had enough water to function in our house for 3 days without a worry.
 
Home modifications are great if you own your home, have the extra space, and the extra money. A landlord will take a dim view of such. And most apartments and smaller homes just do not have the space for a 100 gallon water reserve tank, or a place to store and run a generator. As bad as gasoline is to go bad in storage, diesel is worse. You have to add a stabilizer like seafoam or stabil, and it is not cheap. I can buy a lot of those little gas cannisters and quite a few propane bottle refills for the price of a generator. I doubt that you could save the price of a diesel generator in a week's time of use. Diesel is more expensive than gas just now, and even if it burns less, it will still cost about the same. The difference might be fifty bucks for a week?

Good points on water and energy conservation. When we were recovering from the hurricanes, each person got a washcloth and a towel. We stood in the tub and washed with the washcloth, one quart of water per person heated on the campstove. When all four of us finished, the water went from the tub into the toilet tank for the next flush. I limited the family to one gallon jug of sprin water per person per day, and allotted one gallon per person from the water heater per day. We had plenty of water.
 
I have to say I am surprised at the lack of fore thought that goes into this line of thinking...

I find your post thought-provoking and informative. However, my gut tells me that if I had the budget to accomplish what you've laid out, I would rather spend it on land. Just my $.02 :)
 
Well my diesel generator will run for a week on 15 gallons of diesel. if i cut it 10 to one with one gallon of unleaded, it will stay good to under -20.

My gas generators were using 10 -15 gallons a day when we built off the grid.

If you live in an apt, it would still be easy to tap in a fifty gallon water tank... if not, then add fifty or so one gallon jugs in the closets. buy two a week, drink one, save one, adds a buck to your grocery bill in a year you have a month supply extra.

We live in a suburban house at the end of the loop for our grid, if power goes out, we are the last to get rehooked, after the second lenghty power outage, wife and I sat down and figured what it would cost to do it right. I had gas generators but in the case of no gasoline available, I knew that keeping a 100 gallons of gas around was simply not happening. I looked at up grading the appliances (deep freezes with cold plate technology or super insulated boxes) and decided that adding a NG powered generator was the most cost effective LONG TERM that we could manage. In the past four years, ours has run 27 days. We have not lost freezers full of food nor have I have had to stop working for those days when no power was available to run my tools. I wrote it off as a business expense.

I have added 6 inches of insulation in the form of Blue ext Poly board to the freezer and the basement fridge. Our summer electric bill dropped 17% in the first month we did that .

My poly pro water tank was less than $200 bucks, fitting included. 6 or so feet of 3/4 inch copper and maybe ten fittings sweated the whole thing together. in size it is not much bigger than a fifty gallon water heater.

My home modifications were mostly paid for by you. The generator was a tax write off, so the feds paid for it over three years. The water tank in the basement was done on a night when the family had gone to the water park in the summer and I was home and no one needed water. Took me less than an hour to plumb it in.

I still have a Yanmar diesel genset and a chinese copy of a Onan that I bought at an auction that are used when we build homes off the grid or when we are doing work before the utilities are tied in.

The Yanmar will produce about 90 amps of 240 or 180 of 120 or some combination. It will spike to about 140 amps of 240 for a short time during some start ups, (the big compressor or the cement mixer will often draw 50 amps at start up, but only for a few seconds) New it would have been about $2K but used it was about 500 at a liquidation of rental equipment. Seeing it only had 50 or so hours on the meter I figured it was worth the risk....I have 1500 hours on the meter now and all i have done is change the oil and replace the original outlets with marine grade twist locks.
The chinese Clone was bought at an farm auction. So far it has 200 hours and runs fine.

I do a lot of home repair of storm damage and I am amazed at how little people prepare for these events. Yet in almost every community there is someone who has spent a little money and thought on disaster prep and is living comfortably while all around people are in a tizzy over basic lack of utilities.

I have spent about 4 grand over all updating my house for these sorts of events. My house is market valued at about $320K, that seems like a lot, but in 1999 when I bought this house, we paid 160. But even at the original purchase price, putting 2.5 % back into the house has paid off immensly. I am also positive that when I go to sell this house, the added improvements will DOUBLE their value in resale dollars. We usually beef and pork in bulk from the co-op and losing a thousand dollars of meat is a pretty costly thing.

Loosing a couple of days of work in the shop can be even more costly. Really we have not spent that much when you sit back and look at the benefits in daily life for us.
 
Go ask the guys who run the reefer trucks. they use a diesel generator to run the coolers. if you are running on moderate use, meaning not tripping the governer all the time, it is fairly easy to get a 6HP diesel to run all day on less than two gallons of fuel. I have been doing it for at least 15 years. fill the three gallon tank in the morning, next morning it will not be empty and you just top it off.
Understand that when you are not running Electric water heaters, electric ranges and AC's most homes only consumer about 25 to 30 amps at most.

My diesel generator idles at about a 24 amp output. that will keep lights, small tools and chargers running without having to trip the load governer. It's all about the torque output vs Gasoline motors. A 12 KW generator that is coasting is burning oz's of fuel an hour. THis is why you so often see trucks just Idling. Diesel's at idle when running on the fly wheel, hardly use any fuel at all. Even the old 8V71 DD two strokes would use less than a gallon of fuel to idle over night.
 
There is a drain faucet on most tank type hot water heaters you can used to get drinkable water



To be able to count on that, the drain valve needs to be brass or at least not very old I would suggest that the handy guys replace that drain bibb with a 3/4 inch nipple and a threaded ball valve (full port).

What happens is plastic cocks often just break in your hands or if the water heater is very old the sediment just blocks up the valve and it will not drain.

The ball valve gives you a high quality valve with perfect control and if needed, it lets you poke the debris if it stops up.
 
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