Wolf Attack Kills Teacher

I am with Magnussen as above, avoidable if aware.

my bet it was feral dogs, ton's of them up there and plenty of wolf/malamute crosses.

I worry about a pack of feral dogs as much or more than a bear or cougar in some places.

Sad non the less and I agree that ipod=inattention
 
Just a sad story! As much as I love being in the woods or on a trail, I never saw the point in trail running. Just too many cons and not enough pros.. At her size, and judging that wolfs attack from behind and go for the throat; I don't think a handgun or any weapon wood have saved her. A couple of big dogs running beside her like Tucan mentioned is a great idea in situation like that.

Poor girl.. :(
 
Chinpo said:
I think that by "dirtbags" he means human "wolves" that prey on people; rape, mugging, etc in his urban area.
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Ah ok, thx. I wouldn't call them wolves. Way too romantic. Rapists and muggers is quite accurate too I think.
 
It would be nice if it raised awareness, but instead the wolves will get slaughtered wholesale. People just don't understand that there really are behavioral trigger to set animals into stalking/feeding behavior.

I feel bad for the woman and her family, and I feel bad for the wolves who haven't figured out yet that most folks are asshats, and not worth eating.
 
It amazes me that people want to kill all the predators when one human dies. I wonder how many wolves fall for each human killed by them. My thoughts that the numbers would not be very balanced... Remember, when wolves kill people, the pople are in there homes. I wonder what percentage of wolves that would be killed that were found in peoples homes...

Another sad story and a even sadder response IMHO
 
Talfuchre said:
I think the environmentalists that do it right want to protect the species from stupidity of humans while understanding that they will do what they are prone to do, which is kill and eat meat.

I don't think this means we should crowd all land with suburbs or hunt them stupidly. But to blame all animals deaths on the NRA is to call all environmentalists and animal rights activists stupid.


Now then - back on track before this is locked unnecessarily.

RIP to the woman - blaming the death on her seems to kick her dead body.

TF
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Very well said.

Robert
 
The point of my stupid political commentary (thanks for the civility, guys), was that various big-city based hippie organizations have for decades been inundating the public with this mantra that wolves don't kill/eat people.

Alaska Natives in Villages such as Chignik respect the world they live in and its animal inhabitants. However, they've been trying to do the "right" thing, and sitting back letting the state and feds control the exploding wolf population. Unfortunately, state and fed policy has been compromised by public opinion, fueled by propaganda from the aforementioned organizations. But I imagine that's going to stop now, as they're not comfortable with dangerous predators being this close to their home. This woman was an outsider who hadn't spent much time in the area. Probably doesn't like guns so didn't arm herself like the people who live there do, and was probably not too concerned as the main threat, bears, are in hibernation.

I know people in Chignik, and I know that they're going to restore balance to the situation with a quickness.
 
Brad "the butcher";7970919 said:
I am with Magnussen as above, avoidable if aware.

my bet it was feral dogs, ton's of them up there and plenty of wolf/malamute crosses.

I worry about a pack of feral dogs as much or more than a bear or cougar in some places.

Sad non the less and I agree that ipod=inattention
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what about the man and woman in GA i think that was killed by feral dogs? they were feeding these dogs at the time i think.
 
Magnussen said:
I keep seeing the same victim profile for these kind of animal attacks.

Jogging
IPOD
Small women

A woman was killed on Canada's East Coast by coyotes not too long ago... you could have exchanged stories word for word.

It's nice to jog on the trail, listening to tunes...... but man, in predator country, you might as well slap an "eat me" sign on your back. It is tragic and my sympathies go out to her family... but the reality is this was TOTALLY AVOIDABLE with a little awareness. I hope she didn't die in vain and that this becomes a learning experience for folks.

Rick
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+1

here on Vancouvers North shore trails its the same thing......small statured joggers, ipod, wilderness trails
 
It wasn't clear to me from the story wether the wolves actually ate her or just killed her. Maybe they left out some details out of respect for the dead. It just makes me wonder, if maybe they didn't eat her because they wern't used preying on humans.
 
BlairB said:
It wasn't clear to me from the story wether the wolves actually ate her or just killed her. Maybe they left out some details out of respect for the dead. It just makes me wonder, if maybe they didn't eat her because they wern't used preying on humans.
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I noticed that as well. However as a bass fisherman. I spend the majority of my time getting fish to swallow a hunk of palstic, metal, etc that really doesn't look like food. However I present that item in a way that causes a reaction bite...
It is very possible that the wolfs were lounging off the trail and then they noticed a smaller, weaker, animal running away from them. Their instinct says chase and kill.. and thats what they did...

However, the reporter probably left some gory details out on purpose..
 
I noticed that as well. However as a bass fisherman. I spend the majority of my time getting fish to swallow a hunk of palstic, metal, etc that really doesn't look like food. However I present that item in a way that causes a reaction bite...
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It just doesn't look like food...to you. You're presenting it in such a way that it mimicks a fish's normal prey, so it elicits a biting response on their part because they recognize the motions.

Anyhow...back to the wolf thing...

Perfect alignment of factors. Usually wolves will stay clear of a human. Looks to me like they saw an unaware, small-framed creature that was already on the run and completely oblivious to their existence (most deer/pray animals will stop dead and eyeball a predator if they even get wind of it. Once that predator makes a move the deer will be gone like a shot). Easy meal for a pack of hungry wolves. Same rule as fishing...she presented herself in such a manner, that it mimicked what wolves normally hunt. They couldn't help but chase her. Remember kids: animals lack the ability for higher reasoning. It doesn't mean they can't reason, it just means they don't reason on a level of "ethics" and "morality". Food is food. Meat is meat and bone is bone.

::cough cough:: to them innywayz...

Doesn't make it any less sad, though. Sounds like she forgot that she wasn't in PA anymore. Happens from time to time. Condolences to the family and all that. Sounds like her dad has it pretty well figured though.
 
Magnussen said:
I keep seeing the same victim profile for these kind of animal attacks.

Jogging
IPOD
Small women

A woman was killed on Canada's East Coast by coyotes not too long ago... you could have exchanged stories word for word.

It's nice to jog on the trail, listening to tunes...... but man, in predator country, you might as well slap an "eat me" sign on your back. It is tragic and my sympathies go out to her family... but the reality is this was TOTALLY AVOIDABLE with a little awareness. I hope she didn't die in vain and that this becomes a learning experience for folks.

Well said. I have actually been stalked by wolfs and coyotes at a distance but wasn't in danger because I was aware of their presence, am much larger than their typical game, and prepared to take action if they got too close.
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wildmike said:
Sad. Running around predators will get you killed.

Unfortunately due to the influence of some well backed environmental wacko's, who have unduly influenced policy in many states in the U.S. We are pretty well guaranteed to continue seeing many more such tragic tales in the years to come.
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"Many more?" There have never been many at all in the past so I don't think we will see all that many in the future. Sure it happens but it is so uncommon that it is newsworthy when it does. Most people killed by animals (other than by our own species) are killed by dogs. Heck, even cows kill more people per year than do wolves.
 
mycroftt said:
"Many more?" There have never been many at all in the past so I don't think we will see all that many in the future. Sure it happens but it is so uncommon that it is newsworthy when it does. Most people killed by animals (other than by our own species) are killed by dogs. Heck, even cows kill more people per year than do wolves.
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There you go injecting rational thought, backed by documented evidence, into the discussion again. That type of thinking isn't welcome when it's easier to just blame this on politics and "those damn city slicker tree huggers". :rolleyes:


To the OP - Don't want to get eaten by a wolf? Don't go running in the woods with your ipod on. And even if you do, you're probably more likely to be struck than lighting than you are to be eaten by a wolf. So don't blame this on the liberals or the tree huggers or the police or the game warden or whatever else you want to do. Be saddened that an unfortunate woman was killed by animals, use it to think about how you should protect yourself and your loved ones from the same fate, and leave the moronic political posturing out of it.
 
mycroftt said:
"Many more?" There have never been many at all in the past so I don't think we will see all that many in the future. Sure it happens but it is so uncommon that it is newsworthy when it does. Most people killed by animals (other than by our own species) are killed by dogs. Heck, even cows kill more people per year than do wolves.
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Exactly. Deer actually kill more people(indirectly) than any other animal.
 
philwar said:
My question was "AnyONE other than the woman." It was directed at a person who seemed to be blaming various types of persons and/or organisations.

It's true, the wolves killed her. That's large predators for you. But are they responsible? Of course not. Next we want to hold lightning responsible for striking people.
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Of course we hold lightning responsible for striking people (except for the occasional smiting)! What else would be responsible, thunder?
 
I have been doing some research on I-Pod listeners and animal attacks.

What these people have in common is that they are all listening to disco.

It is a proven fact that wolves HATE disco.

TF
 
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