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Esav Benyamin
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You better be up that tree with a few pineapples.
And lots of other food. What if he decides to wait you out?
And lots of other food. What if he decides to wait you out?
For me a wolf is one of the animals that represent freedom of the outdoors. But there is no place for them any more. Not cause they are evil but cause they bother us... I dont know but i see no reason to kill animals just cause they dont fit into our vision of what is good or bad. Yes i do agree sometimes there is no choice and you have to take some out... For what ever reason. For most things it should be" Live and let live"
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Esav Benyamin
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Come to my arms, my beaming boy,
And let me see that gleaming toy!
That vorpal sword, with which you slew
The dodo -- and the dragon, too!
Let all who gaze on Earth's fair face
Beware the frabjous human race!
And let me see that gleaming toy!
That vorpal sword, with which you slew
The dodo -- and the dragon, too!
Let all who gaze on Earth's fair face
Beware the frabjous human race!
You better be up that tree with a few pineapples.
And lots of other food. What if he decides to wait you out?
In my head I was up in a tree with a house, running water, TV etc etc
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Those pictures are a tad misleading because of the fur. Realize that a lot of what you're seeing is fur. Wolves are TALL, but not terribly girthy. They have long legs, much longer than the equivalent size dog.
Now, I DO think it's great to reintorduce them as they are magnificent animals. However, they must be kept in check. The pack sizes need to be kept large enough to sustain themselves, but small enough that they don't become so competitive for resources that they start actively preying on humans. They may be wary of adults, but I don't think they'd have much trouble with children.
I certainly feel a kinship with them, as they are much like humans. Both species are very social pack hunters, who thrive best with a strong authority structure. Both species are also territorial predators, and it's best you don't forget that.
The bleeding hearts need to get over the beauty of these animals and realize that they can and do attack humans.
The question of why I would want to kill one is simple: because it(they) are trying to kill me. I would not hunt them, just as I would not hunt a bear or an elephant. But I would kill one(several) to defend myself.
I have runa cross them before when I was living in the glorious northlands. A few things I've observed:
The wolf you run across all alone isn't alone. It's usually either the pack Alpha, or the ranking member of the sub group it's traveling with. If it decides to attack, or you attack it, you'll find out real quick it's not alone. Wolves pull security detail just like humans do.
You are both territorial predators, act like one. Don't act like prey.
A wolf is not a dog. Let's review A WOLF IS NOT A DOG. Don't try to pet it. Don't get too close. Don't feed it. I think that most of the problems with humans getting attacked is that they screw with the animals. Reaching out to pet it on the head to us is a friendly gesture. To them, you're trying to establish dominance over them. Expect to have that challenged.
What they see as fair warning, to us is an attack. Ever see (in real life or in footage) an alpha discipline an underling? Looks like he's trying to kill it, right? That's normal for them. For us, it means torn flesh and severed blood vessels.
In the end I don't feel that we can go to either extreme of hunting them to extinction liek we tried int he past, nor can we go about like glassy-eyed green weenies all but worshipping them. We need to learn to live with them. That means fencing off, or otherwise keeping them out of where we can't afford to have them get in (where our children are, livestock pens, etc). It also means understanding how to deal with them in the wild. Including the fact that sometimes theya re just going to attack, whether to reinforce their territory, or to try and gather new territory, and you'll have to defend yourself. If you can't do that, then bring some pepperspray so they can spice their meal.
Now, I DO think it's great to reintorduce them as they are magnificent animals. However, they must be kept in check. The pack sizes need to be kept large enough to sustain themselves, but small enough that they don't become so competitive for resources that they start actively preying on humans. They may be wary of adults, but I don't think they'd have much trouble with children.
I certainly feel a kinship with them, as they are much like humans. Both species are very social pack hunters, who thrive best with a strong authority structure. Both species are also territorial predators, and it's best you don't forget that.
The bleeding hearts need to get over the beauty of these animals and realize that they can and do attack humans.
The question of why I would want to kill one is simple: because it(they) are trying to kill me. I would not hunt them, just as I would not hunt a bear or an elephant. But I would kill one(several) to defend myself.
I have runa cross them before when I was living in the glorious northlands. A few things I've observed:
The wolf you run across all alone isn't alone. It's usually either the pack Alpha, or the ranking member of the sub group it's traveling with. If it decides to attack, or you attack it, you'll find out real quick it's not alone. Wolves pull security detail just like humans do.
You are both territorial predators, act like one. Don't act like prey.
A wolf is not a dog. Let's review A WOLF IS NOT A DOG. Don't try to pet it. Don't get too close. Don't feed it. I think that most of the problems with humans getting attacked is that they screw with the animals. Reaching out to pet it on the head to us is a friendly gesture. To them, you're trying to establish dominance over them. Expect to have that challenged.
What they see as fair warning, to us is an attack. Ever see (in real life or in footage) an alpha discipline an underling? Looks like he's trying to kill it, right? That's normal for them. For us, it means torn flesh and severed blood vessels.
In the end I don't feel that we can go to either extreme of hunting them to extinction liek we tried int he past, nor can we go about like glassy-eyed green weenies all but worshipping them. We need to learn to live with them. That means fencing off, or otherwise keeping them out of where we can't afford to have them get in (where our children are, livestock pens, etc). It also means understanding how to deal with them in the wild. Including the fact that sometimes theya re just going to attack, whether to reinforce their territory, or to try and gather new territory, and you'll have to defend yourself. If you can't do that, then bring some pepperspray so they can spice their meal.
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It is funny, Fish and Wildlife agents kill a wolf when the population goes over the "desired number" and they start attacking lifestock, but protect seals when they loot the bait out of lobster gear or fish out of gillnets. Fisheries and Wildlife management is so disorganized nowadays it is ridiculous. It seems like it is on a case by case basis.
Protect the pretty animals and forget about the "ugly" or "mean" ones. It is a shame, really for an animal as beautiful as that wolf to be killed over a few stock animals. Are they costing livestock owners money? Sure. I bet that wolves take less stock than seals damage fishing gear though. But you don't see F&G guys shooting these things:
Protect the pretty animals and forget about the "ugly" or "mean" ones. It is a shame, really for an animal as beautiful as that wolf to be killed over a few stock animals. Are they costing livestock owners money? Sure. I bet that wolves take less stock than seals damage fishing gear though. But you don't see F&G guys shooting these things:
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Esav Benyamin
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Wolves can be an economic problem, seals can be an economic problem.
Wolves can threaten human lives, seals can threaten ... fish?
Wolves can threaten human lives, seals can threaten ... fish?
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Inquiry into fatal leopard seal attack begins
Kirsty Brown, 28, was snorkelling about 25 metres from the shore near Rothera base when she was suddenly dragged under the surface. The shore cover team immediately called in a rescue boat, which reached the scene within 10 minutes, but the station doctor was unable to revive her.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3978-inquiry-into-fatal-leopard-seal-attack-begins.html
When Seals Attack
http://www.kidzworld.com/article/1200-when-seals-attack
Seal attack victim to have nose reconstructed
The George woman who had part of her nose bitten off by a seal in Herold's Bay at the weekend will be transferred to Groote Schuur Hospital today for plastic surgery.
Elsie van Tonder was attacked by the seal while trying to help it back into the water on Saturday.
http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=271&fArticleId=2975013
Kirsty Brown, 28, was snorkelling about 25 metres from the shore near Rothera base when she was suddenly dragged under the surface. The shore cover team immediately called in a rescue boat, which reached the scene within 10 minutes, but the station doctor was unable to revive her.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3978-inquiry-into-fatal-leopard-seal-attack-begins.html
When Seals Attack
http://www.kidzworld.com/article/1200-when-seals-attack
Seal attack victim to have nose reconstructed
The George woman who had part of her nose bitten off by a seal in Herold's Bay at the weekend will be transferred to Groote Schuur Hospital today for plastic surgery.
Elsie van Tonder was attacked by the seal while trying to help it back into the water on Saturday.
http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=271&fArticleId=2975013
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Seals can be extremely aggressive and vicious. I used to watch them fight while on the boats in Alaska. Sure wouldn't want to be in the water when dumps were made off the deck.
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if you have ever listened to the derry brownfield show you might have heard jim beers. here is a few articles he has written on wolves. jim is retired from the u.s. fish and wildlife service.
http://jimbeers.blogster.com/wolf_ideology_kenton_carnegie.html
http://jimbeers.blogster.com/fearing_wolves.html
http://jimbeers.blogster.com/liability_wolves.html
http://jimbeers.blogster.com/wolf_ideology_kenton_carnegie.html
http://jimbeers.blogster.com/fearing_wolves.html
http://jimbeers.blogster.com/liability_wolves.html
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I had a 75% wolf 25% shepard hybrid that was 170 lbs. After he shed out in the spring he looked like he lost 50 Lbs. The fur makes them look so much bigger.
Best dog I ever had, passed away from cancer almost fours year ago to the day.
Best dog I ever had, passed away from cancer almost fours year ago to the day.
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Well, Chef, you'll probably say this one too, was "photoshoped." It's of the chopper pilot holding the same wolf.
Obviously you haven't the faintest idea just how large the Canadian Grey wolves become, especially when they are uncontrolled, and have an unending supply of elk, deer, cattle, sheep, and pet dogs.
When they are not hunted, as they are not, here in Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, etc., they have absolutely no fear of Man.
L.W.
Yep, haven't seen one in the wild...would like to.
Like I already said though, I checked through and its not a hoax. I didn't think after the shopped pics floating around of the Canadian Bear, the Louisiana Croc and Mountain Lion on the back porch, it would be a bad idea. No harm meant.
Nice pics. Sorry if I offended in any way, it wasn't my intention.
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I'm wondering if the North American species of wolf is bigger than its European cousin?
Of course, it may be to do with the wolf in that picture being able to feed freely on livestock,fattens them up!
Wolves are rare now in Europe which is very sad indeed,they are much more independent than their domesticated canine relatives and although social&pack like they can survive lone.I have been very lucky to be within a couple of metres of a young wolf in a Finnish forest,he came upon us by chance.Frankly, I'm not really that keen on dogs and when this 'dog' appeared I was rather annoyed.Expecting barking or a show of curious friendship,possible aggression and territorial behaviour as all dogs display to a stranger.This one instead stopped dead,it began to watch us nothing else,no yelping or coming towards us,no tail wagging etc.I ignored it and continued unloading the baggage for the week-end.suddenly it moves off almost silently and very agile in its movements,it stopped once more to look over its shoulder at us and then vanished silently into the forest in a strange weaving way of running,very fast and natural. Then I realized this was a wild animal,it was wary of us,judging our intentions and completely at home in its environment, it exuded a charisma that no domestic animal ever has.I was deeply moved by this experience,the aura of a true wild animal is magnificent, I felt no fear nor did he,just respect. Some time later we found out from local sources that a she wolf had had cubs in the area the year before and this was one of hers. We must struggle to maintain an environment for our native predators and not have a world with only man, the greatest predator in it.
Frankly, feral dog packs around cities are a lot more fearsome than wolves!
Of course, it may be to do with the wolf in that picture being able to feed freely on livestock,fattens them up!
Wolves are rare now in Europe which is very sad indeed,they are much more independent than their domesticated canine relatives and although social&pack like they can survive lone.I have been very lucky to be within a couple of metres of a young wolf in a Finnish forest,he came upon us by chance.Frankly, I'm not really that keen on dogs and when this 'dog' appeared I was rather annoyed.Expecting barking or a show of curious friendship,possible aggression and territorial behaviour as all dogs display to a stranger.This one instead stopped dead,it began to watch us nothing else,no yelping or coming towards us,no tail wagging etc.I ignored it and continued unloading the baggage for the week-end.suddenly it moves off almost silently and very agile in its movements,it stopped once more to look over its shoulder at us and then vanished silently into the forest in a strange weaving way of running,very fast and natural. Then I realized this was a wild animal,it was wary of us,judging our intentions and completely at home in its environment, it exuded a charisma that no domestic animal ever has.I was deeply moved by this experience,the aura of a true wild animal is magnificent, I felt no fear nor did he,just respect. Some time later we found out from local sources that a she wolf had had cubs in the area the year before and this was one of hers. We must struggle to maintain an environment for our native predators and not have a world with only man, the greatest predator in it.
Frankly, feral dog packs around cities are a lot more fearsome than wolves!
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While it's reasonable to be cautious about everything, especially other humans, I feel it's important to maintain a sense of healthy perspective into reality. I've seen a wolf pack a couple of times in my life, both over here in Finland where there are very few left, and on the Russian side where there are much, much more. I would have never seen them if it had not been for the fact that I was out looking for them, and did not want them to know I was around. Beautiful animals in their own sense, they are, and while they can be very dangerous like almost anything that moves and has teeth, the threat is absurdly small compared to threats like, say, attacks from other humans or even their pet dogs. Here in Finland, for example, there has never been a fully confirmed case of a wolf killing a human, ever. In the 19th century there were many reports of people having been "taken by wolves", but none can be confirmed. On the other hand, many such reports can be confirmed to be utter fabrication. Often it was that a persona non grata like an unwanted child or a sick elderly person was simply tossed out in the woods and left to die, and then it was said that wolves took them in lack of a better lie and excuse. In other cases, wolf attacks were made up to excuse hunting them down and selling their pelts at high prices. It's certainly a good idea to maintain a healthy respect and fear towards wolves, but to keep things sane, it's good to know that tame dogs kill a lot more people every single year than wolves do, at least in my country and I suppose in most western countries.