Wood for handle

Just wondering if anybody knows where to order a small portion of Lignum-vitae for handle?

I was looking at Arroyo's at Pasadena but they are into chunky orders.

Many thanks.
Jay
 
Good question Old School,

Is there a 4"x4"x10" blank for Lignum-Vitae?

I'm looking at Lignum-vitae's website and they only sell small blocks of it with 100USD min price.

Was thinking of having it shipped to Auntie, as she's making a trip down to Nepal and she can pass it to the Kamis.
I have a Dui Chirra coming; ASKED for a full tang and i will need a bigger block.
 
Jay, check your email. I just sent you one with some info you might be interested in. :thumbup: :D
 
Well, once I decide on which wood I'll be ordering for HI, I'll be ordering from them. If you want, wait a few days and I'll tell you how my experience is unless you are referring to whether or not it is genuine lignum vitae, in that case I'll order it and tell you how it is :).

BTW: the Choice is now between Narra (http://westpennhardwoods.com/shop/catalog/Narra.html), Bubinga (http://westpennhardwoods.com/shop/catalog/Bubinga.html), or genuine Lignum Vitae (http://westpennhardwoods.com/shop/catalog/Guayacan_Genuine_Lignum_Vitae.html).

Please Look and tell me which one you like best. Thanks. Will be ordering today or tomorrow so your input is needed.
 
Broken Eye,

If you want, wait a few days and I'll tell you how my experience is unless you are referring to whether or not it is genuine lignum vitae, in that case I'll order it and tell you how it is .

My point exactly.

Another PDF file for LV:

http://www.fs.fed.us/global/iitf/pubs/sm_iitf067 (4).pdf

Westpennhardwood claims Guayacan "Genuine Lignum Vitae" at a very attractive price whilst Exotic wood USA has Argentine version at a slight cheaper price.

Many thanks.
 
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Guyacayan is sweet stuff but I have had no experience with the Argentine version.
All of mine has come straight off a tree in Puerto Rico, then cut and dried by yours truly.

Here is the thing though, it is the sort of wood that will seem very plain unless it is finished right.
I picture what we will get from the Kami to be a lot like the Neem pieces, plain and in need of a bit of TLC to make them pop.
As long as people understand this and are willing to take what they are given and go from there, it is the best choice of all.
Otherwise, there are other woods that will look really nice with the bare minimum working that the Kamis seem to do on the wood.

I just thought this should be mentioned as I am not sure it is understood yet.
The Kamis aren't so much wood workers as they are metal workers.
We will need to take the basic formed handles and take them to the next level to make them truly awesome for some of the woods listed.
 
Warty,

I'm glad you popped this question.
The concern of LV over other woods was due to the weight of the wood, the balance of the blade might be off.

But on other hand, if LV is living up to its standard, its self-lubricious nature wouldn't appear to be as dry as Neem, as any friction on the surface would force the resin to excrete and thus give you a nice finishing often.Correct me if i'm wrong here.

What i'm more worried is the difficulty of working the wood with handtools.
Plus it splits if handled tangentially. However, i think the Kamis will appreciate the fact they have an hands-on experiences with one of, if not the hardest wood in the world.

I planned to use LV as a handle as i wish to see just how durable this wood is.To compare that to Neem, LV does have its medicinal effects, Holy Mackerel!
 
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Well, I don't know how it will do with the tools they use, that is true. I use few power tools myself though so I don't think it will be all that big of a deal for them. I will say that it took more than just handling and rubbing the wood to make it look like this:
DSC02075.jpg

This was a piece taken from a tree in my friend's yard in PR, then he spent a lot of time polishing it with fine sandpaper to make it look like it does in this picture. The wood is very plain looking prior to your polishing and oiling it though, at least in my experience.

I would send them some osage orange or the like if you wanted them to have the hardest wood out there.
Try cutting one of those down someday, the wood fibres are woven together it seems and it is like trying to cut down kevlar.

I am unaware of LV's medicinal qualities... please tell me more. :)
 
Warty,

Voila:
Among many other applications, gum from the wood was once used to treat syphilis. For example, Benvenuto Cellini records this use of it in his memoirs. See also the quote by Nashe in the article Honorificabilitudinitatibus (there spelled 'guiacum'). Guaiacum resin has been used to treat a variety of medicinal conditions from coughs to arthritis. Wood chips can also be used to brew a tea.

The artist Jan van der Straet (also known as Johannes Stradanus) painted a scene of a wealthy man receiving treatment of syphilis with Guaiacum wood sometime around 1580.[8] The title of the work is "Preparation and Use of Guayaco for Treating Syphilis." Epidemic syphilis had been raging through Europe for nearly a century at the time of the painting, and hopes were high that this plant from the New World would provide a cure. The richly colored and detailed work depicts four servants preparing the concoction while a physician looks on, hiding something behind his back while the hapless patient drinks.[9]

A phenolic compound derived from the resin of Guaiacum trees is used in a common test for blood in human stool samples. The presence of haem in the blood causes the formation of a coloured product in the presence of hydrogen peroxide. The effect of peroxidases in horseradish on guiacum was first noted in 1810 by Planche.[10]

As a food additive Guaiacum has the E number of E314 and is classified as an antioxidant.

A widely used derivative drug is the expectorant known as guaifenesin.

The soap fragrance oil of guaiac comes from Bulnesia sarmientoi, a South American tree from the same family.

(From wikipedia)

Actions: Anti-rheumatic, anti-inflammatory, laxative, diaphoretic, diuretic.

Indications: Guaiacum is a specific for rheumatic complaints. It is especially useful where there is much inflammation and pain present. It is thus used in chronic rheumatism and rheumatoid arthritis. It will aid in the treatment of gout and may be used in the prevention of recurrencein this disease. Due to the high content of resins in this valuable herb, Care must be taken with patients with gastritis or peptic ulceration.

Combinations: It may be used together with Bogbean, Meadowsweet or Celery Seed.

Preparations & Dosage: Decoction: put l teaspoonful of the woodchips in a cup of water, bring to boil and simmer for l5-20 minutes. This should be drunk three times a day.

Tincture: 1-2ml three times a day.
http://www.healthy.net/scr/MMedica.aspx?Id=222

Another interesting read:
http://www.stjohnhistoricalsociety.org/Articles/LignumVitae.htm

Pretty much sums it up.HOWEVER, more case studies are still needed to validate the use of it.
 
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Thanks for the advice guys. At this time, without calling anyone, I can only find osage orange and australian blackheart (dont know how good it would be) in the sizes necessary at this time, but I'll surely be emailing/calling to see if I can get some wood cut appropriately. Thanks! Also, anyone know anything about zebrawood, narra, or desert ironwood (Mr Mike was quite right, btw) and how it turns out?

Osage orange is one of the strongest and toughest woods around...its got a nice tight grain
 
I'm also surprised that no one mentioned Mesquite. I love the figuring you can get from root-ball stock and it's plenty hard but still pretty easy to work. It was also pretty inexpensive the last time I bought some, but that was more than ten years ago when I lived in Austin. But keep in mind that at the time I was working mostly with Lignum Vitae and Ebony, both very easy woods to carve but require patience and really sharp tools.
Asside: Dang, I miss Paxton's Wood. That was my favorite shop for exotic hardwoods.
 
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