Woodchuck ALERT... exotic wood supply

Sometimes when words or phrases become slang terms they still retain their original meaning. A Police officer telling you to "get down" will mean something totally different than a dancer telling you to do the same. :)

Maybe woodchucking is North American slang. What do they call it on the big island?
 
... as rain forest goes by! The Brazilian Rosewood (Pau Brasil, in portuguese) is a protected species in Brazil. Or it should be, if contrabandists didn't cut the few remaining trees. It's really a shame.
 
Do your best down there, Paulo. I still want to take that boat ride to Manaus and I hope there's still a couple of trees left to see on the banks.
 
Originally posted by BruiseLeee
Sometimes when words or phrases become slang terms they still retain their original meaning. A Police officer telling you to "get down" will mean something totally different than a dancer telling you to do the same. :)

typically something of the original meaning exists (except in the case of loan-words like 'woodchuck') - though it can become pretty distant - 'silly' in OE meant 'blessed' (cp. German 'selig').

Originally posted by BruiseLeee
Maybe woodchucking is North American slang. What do they call it on the big island?

wood-working :confused: dunno

I suspect it is N. American slang (though probably pretty restricted), related to the 'woodchuck'. But what does the '-chucking' bit mean in 'wood-chucking'? Throwing the wood about?

B.
 
The first time I heard the word "woodchuck" applied to wood working was here. I'm beginning to suspect that it's just Walosi butchering the Queen's english. :D:p:)
 
Originally posted by BruiseLeee
The first time I heard the word "woodchuck" applied to wood working was here. I'm beginning to suspect that it's just Walosi butchering the Queen's english. :D:p:)

:D

yes, here's the first place I've seen the term too. I did an internet search. didn't pull up much -- I don't think Walosi is the inventer of the term -- but it doesn't seem to be common even in N. America. I suspect that it's a word that just sounds like it should have to do with wood-working, even though, to break it down, it's either 'throwing wood' or 'avoiding wood'. :confused: ;)

B.
 
Thinking better: using endangered specimens in knife handles (or violin bows, as tradition prays) would be a noble thing. The only thing to be aware is the way it is cut. Sometimes, to extract a single tree, a large area is devasted, and the dry soil will allow the fire to destroy large amounts of natural forests. The Brazilian Rosewood was so abundant in Brazil that my country got his name from that wood, but now, it is a very rare tree. I think almost the same happened to the american buffalo...
The rain forest still is a vast repository of new specimens, that can be used for medicine, and the brazilian indians know many ways of healing with plants. I wish the christian missionarys (mostly americans) don't finish their cultures at all.
 
Nay, 'tis the Queen's subjects' inability to deal with native pronunciations when encountered outside the written word :rolleyes: See Algonquin - ie: Narragansett, "ockqutchaun". Just like "jag-you-ahhhrs" (HEE). Internet search, indeed :D
 
Paulo, you aren't alone in your thinking. A few years ago, an importer offered "several shipping containers" of rare African Pink Ivory. What remains of this wood grows almost exclusively on Masai tribal lands and has been jealously guarded by them (only chiefs and sub-chiefs, and full warriors may use staffs and spear shafts of Pink Ivory). In their zeal to convert the Masai from herdsmen to farmers, the government "cleared" large amounts of their land by dragging huge chains across sections of it, between D8 Caterpiller tractors. The importer's agent was able to salvage the lot he was selling, but said most of it had been burned.
 
Originally posted by Paulo Nilson
The rain forest still is a vast repository of new specimens, that can be used for medicine, and the brazilian indians know many ways of healing with plants.

I wish the christian missionarys (mostly americans) don't finish their cultures at all.

Paulo there are a few North Americans that are doing their very best to see that the rainforests aren't totally devastated just for the medicine aspects alone.
We Cherokee have a Story that says the Animal People visited disease on us because we were hunting them just for sport and then letting them go to waste.
When hunting is done properly the animal places itself in your gunsights and gives up it's breath willingly.
The story continues with the Plant People took pity on us because so many of us were dieing needlessly because the innocents hadn't deserved that kind of treatment so they stepped in and said, "That for every disease there would be a plant to cure it."
There are some few of us that still believe the old
ways.
Hopefully we will be able to save what we need...........

I believe in many ways our Brothers to the South are being worse treated than the North American Indin People.
The bottom line is that the effects are the same. The men of the tribe are left with nothing to do that will earn them a living better than what they had in the forests.
And our Brothers on the African continent aren't fareing any better than the ndns og either continent.
There's an excellent book by Patrick Same' "Of Water and the Spirit" who under went the treatment of the missionaries. (My computer doesn't have the little pronounciation marks, but it's Same' with the little mark on the "e".
He was *taken* from his village kraal when he was 5 years old, taught gardening and French and then inducted into seminary far away.
I won't get into the whole story because some of y'all might want to read it. I recommend it highly!!!!
The gist of it is is that he escaped from the seminary and made it home to his village after much trials and tribulations.
When he got there no one trusted him because he hadn't under went the initiation into manhood and therefore didn't know how to behave properly.
Patrick *did* finally go through the initiation and the stories he tells about the transition really go hand in hand with some American Indin ceremonies.
I believe the stories even if no one else does.:)
But basically for me the story brought home the fact that our African Brothers are still under going much the same fate as we once did on this continent and what's still happening in the South American Countries.
It's a damned travesty and a damned shame such actions are permitted to go on in this day and age.
The "Church" has apologised to the people native to this land while still doing the same thing in others.
That tells me their apology doesn't mean a damned thing!!!!!!!:(
 
Originally posted by Walosi
...is not appropriate, in relation to the term "Woodchuck", as used in this forum context. It derives not from linguistic nor historical confusion, but is, in fact, a literary allusion - Huey, Dewey an Louie, Jr. Woodchucks. :D :rolleyes:

I haven't kept up on this thread this past few days and I'm getting confused :D . Weren't Huey, Dewey and Louie ducks???

And the age old question... How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.... :D (somebody was thinking it... I just know it).

Answers anybody....

And Ben, Thanks again for the links in the other thread... I still haven't gotten through them all yet... I keep getting side tracked by other links within links... and so on...

Alan
 
are entirely different subjects, even if the researchers in Ben's piece were confused as to retrievers and rodents. The science of Woodchuckery is too complicated to explain to Edumacated Anglos, or Khuky Canuckians....I'm going to go away now, and rub oil into a handle....then I'll be aaallll better:rolleyes:
 
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