Woodstove take 2

It looks very interesting. Unfortunately with my slow connection I've only seen the first few seconds of the video. I will try to download it again.

I'm keen to learn more. I'll probably have some questions eventually.

Thanks for sharing.
 
I like your creative designs, but even more so I like the craftsmanship I see in your finished products. Since I've got some years under my belt in the field of sheet metal, I have to ask you a couple of things, if you don't mind. Is that about 16 or 18 gauge "black iron" or sheet steel you are using? I noticed your nice edges, rounded corners, and very neatly cut slots. Can you tell me more about the tools and equipment you used for this project?
 
Can you post a couple of photos for us dial-up challenged? I am interested in seeing the stove too!

Codger
 
Hi All

I need to test it this afternoon so I will get some still shots

I am using 16 gauge sheet iron and using a die grinder with a 1/16" thick wheel to cut the slots. I use a belt sander to polish the edges.

I am a knifemaker in another life.

www.kidcouteau.com

Later
 
Hi Folks

Well I didnt get testing today. Got busy in the shop and it rained all day.

But here is the third model

http://www.kidcouteau.com/woodstove3.html

And here are some stills for the dial up folks.

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Hope you like
Kid
 
Nice work there Knifesmith. Thanks for the static pictures. I spent ages trying to download the video and I got no further than seeing you picking up the new model to assemble it.

I'd like to discuss why we might use a woodstove instead of just lighting a fire.

- I know that open camp fires are not permitted at some times and/or in some areas. This could be a good reason to carry a wood-fired cooker.

- A small wood stove may be more efficient/economical to use than an open fire ... it will burn less wood and smaller pieces can be used.

- A stove such as this is at least slightly safer than lighting a fire on the ground, although even a small woodstove will create tiny hot embers that can blow about in the wind, or which might continue to be hot enough to start a forest fire for a considerable time after they look like they've 'gone out'.

I liked the idea behind the 'Sierra Stove' which burned twigs as fuel, but the idea of having to use a battery to power the fan bugged me. It just doesn't fit so well with my idea of an outdoor experience. I like the style of the stove shown here ....it is simple.

So is it permissable to use this type of cooker in some of your areas where open fires are not allowed?

How do people that use these stoves ensure that embers cant blow around to start a fire?
 
I liked the idea behind the 'Sierra Stove' which burned twigs as fuel, but the idea of having to use a battery to power the fan bugged me. It just doesn't fit so well with my idea of an outdoor experience. I like the style of the stove shown here ....it is simple.

Hey coote,

The ZZ Corporation originally (I think) designed something called the ZZtove which was meant for third world countries where fuel was scarce. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was the forerunner of the Sierra stove. The design lent itself to use just about anything you could think of for fuel - leaves, bark, dung, you name it.

I have one and it doesn't use batteries. If you like, I'll take a picture of it for you. I don't think they've made them for years. Mine's about 25 years old. It worked really well for winter camping when you using a sled or toboggan but it was too big for backpacking.

Doc
 
Good on yer Doc.... always interested to see anything like this. Of course I want to know more about wood burners in 'backpacking' sizes, but all related information is good food for thought.

If size and weight is no problem, there are some really interesting ideas out there.

http://www.kifaru.net/stovspex.htm

The "Rocket Stove" principle is well worth pondering, even if seemingly a bit large for hiking:

http://wings.interfree.it/html/Elbow.html

We can still light campfires in some places, but I suspect restrictions will grow tighter. Already we are not generally permitted to light any fire in the outdoors in our urban area...with the exception of a wood fired barbeque during certain months of the year, and one or two other minor exceptions. Even open fireplaces in our homes may not be used after the end of this year.

Heavier 'portable' wood cookers might be a good option to leave cached at a frequently-used remote camp. So yeah Doc, if you get the time, I'd like to see a picture when you get around to it.

This is a good topic.
 
Thanks for sharing the details on the materials, tools, and techniques you used for building your stoves. I used both straight and right angle pneumatic die grinders a lot when I got into aircraft maintenance, though often just on general projects, not necessarily on the aircraft themselves. Those light, compact, pneumatic grinders sure are handy tools to have!

I have a couple of those nifty little commercial folding sheet iron stoves and find them both useful and interesting. The first ones that I know of were Chinese imports, but they are something the Chinese can make well, not to mention cheaply. Sportsman's Guide sold them, then they cut the price in half and I bought some more to give to my friends. Now I've seen them advertised again in Backwoodsman Magazine, for about $15 apiece I think. Their design is clever and it folds up like a puzzle, but with all the pieces still connected. They burn twigs, pine cones, charcoal, wads of paper, dried camel dung, and whatever else you care to stoke them with.
 
Kid, I liked your third version, too. Suggestion: To avoid the need for a grill on it, turn a 90 degree bend half an inch from the upper edge to form a little ledge on two sides of the top opening. That should support your cup or small pan.

That's a great stainless steel cup you have there, too. I bought a pair of those at Wal-Mart ten years ago when going out to Wyoming etc. with a friend of mine. They even make good coffee and soup in cheap motel rooms using one of the little 120 volt immersion heaters hung over the edge.
 
OK coote, here they are:

This was the evaluation in American Survival Guide, June 1982 (hope you can read it).
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The actual stove
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You will notice the round hole near the top, where you put the fuel in. Down aways is the damper door and below that is the ash drawer. There is a 3 part support on the top of the fire box.

This is looking down into the fire box. You will notice the ash screen at the bottom and the holes up the side of the fire box. This supposedly aids in combustion.
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There is also a barbeque accessory that I have never used and can't find for the moment.


This comparison to a much valued book in my collection, should give you some size perspective. :)
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If you need any more information or pictures, email me.

Doc
 
Wow Doc....that's a neat little unit. Thanks for going to the trouble of describing it so fully.

It would be just the thing to have on hand in the home emergency kit for major power outages etc. But I can see that this is more or less what I've been looking for as a standby cookstove for the camp I go to regularly. I have a cast iron gas cooktop at the camp, but it seems stupid to tote spare gas into this spot when there are trees dropping cones and twigs all around me. A big fire is fine, but a small efficient fire is sensible.

This is a great thread.

That is an interesting book in your picture Doc. But I hear that the guy who wrote it is a real eccentric :rolleyes:
 
Interesting stove designs, I like the smalest one for backpacking, The long one seems a bit shallow for good wood burning, but they all look really well made.

I carry one of the Pocket wood burning stoves from sportsmans guide it works really well, I use it with either wood or sometimes trioxane tabs for quick trailside use.
 
ok so i just bought one of those little pocket cookers from sportmans guide for 12 bucks....i hope it works okay...otherwise me and the stove kid here will be talking about a purchaseable version of his stoves....
 
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