Wool - your opinion?

As with everything else - not all wools are the same. The more rugged wools can be rather scratchy. Wool that retains some lanolin is more water repellant, and the open knits will 'breathe' so you won't get as damp as fast from sweating, but remember that wool will ultimately absorb water.

I personally like wool (well - Australia did grew rich on the backs of sheep after all) and often chuck on a jumper rather than a jacket but I wouldn't use wool for canoeing or rafting or depend on it in extreme conditions inspite of the image portrayed by British flyers and submariners in WW2 era films - an awful lot of them drowned

Also - washing & drying can be a pain (shrinkage) and burrs are a bugger to pull off. I've also lost a couple of favourites to moths so I now use moth balls when storing but not everyone likes my 'eau de naptha' when I wear them :eek:
 
I think wool is an excellent product that has a multitude of uses and will never become outdated. I use wool blankets on my bed and I wear wool to keep warm. In fact I have a Merino wool jumper on right now.

Then again, I live right in the middle of where the finest merino wool on the planet is grown and right next to a sheep station. :)
 
Wool and Cotton are the only materials I use in the great Outdoors :)
I love the feel of natural materials.They are pretty warm too.
I ususally wear a cotton t-shirt,a wool shirt(nice and warm),BG ARMY camo cotton trousers and BG ARMY cotton jacket.Also love my cotton hat :D
Only my shoes have synthetic matherials,but I also have BG ARMY leather shoes,but they're not so comfortable...:(
Gonna get a pair of Chiruca shoes :)
 
Been a big fan of wool for a long time. Portraying the mountainman era we use wool shirts and capotes and sleep in wool blankets all the time. Sleeping in a tipi with cotton blankets is dangerous. Wool will just burn out and leave some ash. Pick up alot of wool at the thrift stores. Love those irish sweaters cheap. Work great going to the deer stand and sitting in the cold. When walking around just open your jacket and feel the warm air pump out. Also while walking with wool I don't seem to overheat as much as I do with the synthetics. It creates a neutral thermal enviroment for me. The polar fleece type feel like plastic next to my neck etc and I sweat. I use wool socks in the winter and even in the summer at times. I like the cush. The gloves I use the most are the rag wool ones with the fingers cut out. We are talking about living in Kansas here. Maybe a pair of deer skin gloves or pair of mitts over the wool. I don't like bulky gloves. I do use gortex with jackets with zippers to vent it out. Regards, Loosearrow
 
Compared to synthetics, wool is heavier.
Maybe I think it works better when wet.
One of the big point is that it has a far better odour management: I did keep a wool shirt next to skin during two weeks las t winter, day and night, and it didn't smell too bad in the end.

I use Ullfrotté stuff (woolpower now) and it is really great, plus it is machine washable (quite expensive but worths it and it is made in sweden, not in some asian sweatshop)
 
I don't hike in the woods and when i do is in lower altitudes with nice weather (summer). I don't sleep by the fire at all so sleeping bags forme.

Wool has its place in the Alpine enviroment though. One of the best ever selling gloves from Charlet Mosser is the Cascade. It is made of wool and it is fitted for ice climbing when you may get your hands wet. I never used them but those who did, swear by them.

I like it also in socks but the problem is they loose their loft fast. I love a wool sock made by Thorlos that has a few silicone pebbles in the base that prevent your feet from sliding in the boot. Great. The problem is that they will only last two seasons at most. Then you need to replace them. If you go on a multi day climb, you better carry two spare pairs of socks because if you get them wet (non breathable boots) you won't be able to dry them inside your sleeping bag at night. Polarguard socks are way better for that.

Falke is selling now a number of base layers made of wool and they seem to be working very well. I don't own any but my climbing partner Iñaki has two of them. They don't stink after a tough alpine climbg also.
 
I have all kinds of wool stuff from the 70's but these days the new stuff they make like the waterproof stuff and fleeces pretty much make wool obsolete for any backpacking or hunting.
 
Fun discussion but I don't think you're going to come to any decent conclusion by looking at the narrow band. In the narrow band; walking the dog, spending a day hunting, casually hill strolling or car camping, you could argue the case that a plain cotton T, a cotton shirt, and two cotton jumpers under a set of oilskins and a pair of Wellingtons are the most comfortable and effective. Hell, if you had sufficient tenacity and worded your post in an authoritative way you may even carry the day. It won't shed any light on why most military groups outside the Soviet block or the third world have moved away from the woolly jumper, and why said jumper doesn't often get a look in on genuine expeditions into the wilderness places on earth though. Perhaps only by using such scenarios will you be able to have a sufficiently rigorous test in order to establish the single correct answer. When you've established that absolute you can then plot your position on a line leading up to it; maybe something like, “I don't care if my jumper holds 2 pints of water, it's warm and comfy like a shat nappy, and I will be home by nightfall”.

Apart from the burns hazard avoided by wool, and that it is warmer when wet than cotton, I've not been able to disclose a great deal in its favour. Add to which wool being warm when wet as opposed to cotton is a misleading device. To stay focused we need to compare wool to synthetics and not be distracted by chaff like that.

First port of call was to some advocates of wool over fleece to see what they had to say:

Here is an item that one would expect a really good series of points to be made as it is entitled, “Why wool clothes are better than fleece”. Alas, it doesn't happen, in fact quite the inverse. Essentially, it needed a context clause of hunting, shooting and fishing, and it even tailed off on those at the end. The moment we up the environmental conditions all bets are off: From his own pen:
As an alpinist I do not use wool. It is not suited for the modern mountain climbing environment strictly for the sake of saving weight. Modern synthetic clothing is very advanced and out performs wool even the best wool fabric made today purely and weight and cost not to mention that synthetic insulation holds less water and retains more heat than wool. Ibex is one company who makes exceptional wool climbing and backpacking clothing. Unfortunately it is more expensive and still cannot overcome the weight issue. Even in hunting companies are making hunting clothes that are superior in durability and performance hands down.. He concludes with a rather mealy mouthed mumble about a benefit of wool manufacturing and cost. Rating – Own goal.
http://www.helium.com/items/278019-why-wool-clothes-are-better-than-fleece

Another “Why wool clothes are better than fleece” can be found below, this time as a series of bullet points we can examine:

1. It is not synthetic
2. Allows the body to maintain an even temperature
3. The body is able to "breathe"
4. Works as a natural insulation against heat or cold.
5. Absorbs moisture into the structure of its fibers
6. Resistant to static electricity and flames.

Let's examine those:

1] Really? I believe the appropriate colloquialism is “No shit Sherlock”.
2] Weak. How are you arriving at that? Measured against a body in fleece, in tin foil, in Saran wrap, a loin cloth. Meaningless drivel!
3] Presupposes that fleece doesn't, does less, does more, what? Here's a hedge your bets claim if ever there was one. Grown a pair. Put yourself out there.
4]This has all the makings of a Naturalistic fallacy first described by Moore in Principia Ethica.
5] Hooray a point! Yes, as some of you have already said, “It's good for socks”, but why else would you want that feature? Desirable is the ability to not absorb moisture, but to readily transmit or wick moisture out and away from the body.
6] Granted
Rating: Too woolly minded to be useful.
http://www.helium.com/items/276706-why-wool-clothes-are-better-than-fleece

That's a shame really because even using a very lazy method of inquiry I expected to turn up better supporting evidence for the superiority of wool, if it exists. By contrast, an example of an opposing argument that is far better didn't take much effort to find. In it we can see the single drawback of synthetics is volume:

“Polypropylene is not extremely strong or abrasion resistant, but it has the useful property of not absorbing water, but rather wicking it away from the skin. It is usually knitted into underwear, where those properties can keep your skin dry even when you are exercising. And dry skin is warm. Polypro has the disadvantage of retaining odors, including body odors. It also melts easily, so it generally has to be air-dried. Nowadays it seems to have been replaced with specially treated polyester, like Patagonia's Capiline.

Wool is very old school, and not much used any more. It is warm, but it is also relatively heavy for the warmth it provides. It was largely used for insulating layers like sweaters. For insulation purposes, it has been largely replaced with special polyester fleece like Polarguard, or by lofting insulation like goose down, Holofil, Primaloft and others. Fleece is just as warm but lighter, and it doesn't absorb water and breathes better. The lofting insulation is even lighter and warmer, but doesn't breathe as well, and is bulkier. But wool is still quite durable and abrasion resistant, making it suited for socks and some work clothing...”
http://askville.amazon.com/Wool-Gor...rs-clothing/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4164586

Last but by no means least I shall offer up extracts from an article at Loughborough University entitled “Unravelling the mystery of Mallory”, as it recurses neatly back to my opening para graph on having a sufficiently sensitive test to determine which is better:

“To try and establish if Mallory’s clothing had been a barrier to his success the Mountain Heritage Trust, in partnership with the Universities of Southampton, Derby, Leeds, and Lancaster, embarked on a major project to create an exact replica of the outfit he wore on his 1924 expedition. After almost three years of intensive scientific analysis of the fragments of clothing taken from his body the team was able to recreate Mallory’s outfit in every detail, from the fabric used to the weave and the stitches.”

“In 2006 the BBC reconstructed Scott and Amundsen’s journey in ‘Blizzard: Race To The Pole’. For the series two modern day teams of explorers were set the challenge of travelling across a route identical in length to that covered by Scott and Amundsen, using the original resources available to the historic explorers. Professor Havenith, who has conducted extensive research into how the human body copes when faced with inhospitable climates, was asked to compare and test the clothing worn during the 1911 Arctic expedition, as well as examine how both outfits measured up against modern apparel.”

“After assessing the insulation and wind protection of the clothing, Professor Havenith found that the clothing worn by Scott and his team, which largely consisted of coarse layers of wool, was only marginally less insulating than that worn by Amundsen, whose team wore fur. Compared to modern day arctic clothing however, both outfits provided up to 30 percent less insulation.”

““During this project we discovered that overall there was not a big difference between the insulation and wind protection offered by the two outfits,” said Professor Havenith. “However we did discover a difference between the friction levels within the two sets of clothing. Scott’s apparel consisted of layers of coarse fabrics, many of wool, which had higher friction levels than the layers of slippery furs worn by Amundsen. This extra friction, combined with Scott’s way of travelling being far more physically draining, meant that the garments his team wore would have resulted in them expending up to 20 percent more energy than generally assumed – using up precious calories and supplies.

“The high-tech manikin is able to simulate a set human skin temperature and measure how much heat is lost through clothing at 32 different zones of the body. In this instance the skin temperature of the manikin was set to replicate that of someone climbing at high altitude.”
“Compared to modern expedition clothing Professor Havenith found that Mallory’s outfit offered dramatically less insulation from the cold – about 40 percent less than the clothing used by climbers today on Everest expeditions. The main additions that enable modern expedition apparel to perform better are altitude boots, and for the clothing the inclusion of zips, which are more wind tight compared to buttons, and the introduction of down and polyester battings. Down and polyester are very light weight but offer a high level of insulation.”
http://www.lboro.ac.uk/service/publicity/publications/view/springsummer08/mallory.html
 

Hi Shawn and welcome to BFC!
Thanks for all the infos you posted. I don't doubt they're right!

There is just one thing you should be aware of. Many outdoor enthusiasts love to sleep by the fire. I've never done it, but I'm eager to experience it. (open fires aren't allowed everywhere in our woods, except for a few public fireplaces)

I just found my old and unworn wool pullover I had forgotten about. Also, I found perfectly good wool blankets (2x camel and 1x alpaca) among my late grandpa's stuff. I'll try out how these items work for me, also by the fire. The alpaca blanket feels great!
 
I find wool really excels compared to fleece. As a baselayer, you can wear all-natural wool and not stink bad after 1-2 weeks of continuous wear. Not so with most synthetics, unless of course they're treated with chemicals or nano-silver. I've also experienced chills while wearing a Polartec 200 windpro during a summer drizzle. Wool seems to be much better at insulating while wet. I know people say how much faster fleece dries. However, it too can be really slow to dry in below freezing temps especially with windbloc or the tighter knit fleeces.
 
Wool is used widely on the winter camping trips we post about here. Sure, it might be heavy but it won't burn up next to the primitive exposed shelter with open fire the way an overpriced synthetic will when a stray ember lands on it. Does wool have its limitations? Absolutely! I like my wool pants and wool sweaters but I won't go ultra-light and ultra-fast with them. Wool not only harkens to traditional times but it is rugged, silent and as others have mentioned, warm when wet. On the Winter Survival Course the WLC will offer this February, I guarantee wool will be on the recommended gear list! For survival purposes, it ranks highly in my book.

Wool has its place but it will never be replaced.
 
The only place I use wool is merino long johns. Over top goes micro-mesh for water replant/wind protection. Then if needed extra insulation goes on top. The long johns are very similar to poly-pro in thickness and weight but don't stink up the joint over a trip and are very warm. Wool as an outer layer is outdated. I might even ditch the merino with some of the new stuff coming out.
 
"overpriced synthetic": Due to their abrasion resistance and strength, you can find about all the polyester fleece you want in scondhand stores.
Jackets are commonly on sale brand new for $10-15 in big box stores. Quality wool garment cost several times as much.

Having experienced wearing wool for eleven days without bathing, I can tell you I was not confused with a bunch of roses. And it's polypro, not polyester that was infamous for "plastic stink."

But, to each his own opinions. I guess I rarely sleep next to open fires, but recognize that I might have to if the Bad Thing happens.

The only nation I can find using wool in its country's Antartic kit for insulation in the last fifteen years is Oz. Grow wool in Oz do ya? :)

Oh, to repeat what I've reported before, wool actually generates significant heat as it absorbs moisture - within limits. When it hits the tip over point, It Is Not Good. http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...rbtion+OR+absorption&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

But, to each his own opinions, typically based on one's nesessarily limited experiences. As in I guess I rarely sleep next to open fires. Guess I might have to if the Bad Thing happens.
 
Wool sweater carries the smell of open fire for several days.
I can remember what happened there from its smell.
I think its fun and of course like it.
 
I have some wool hiking socks which are A++

Its weird though as they are the first wool item I have owned that hasn't been attacked by moths.

Perhaps its a blend...?
 
Nine out of ten sheep love it.:D Living in North Dakota, I love it too.

..and the sheep are nervous. :D

When I ran long traplines, wool saved me some serious problems after breaking through ice.

I haven't read this thread completely but wool is fairly tough. The fleece stuff I've used shreads pretty easy. It shrinks when wet and does a good job of keeping out the wind while you're warming up and, yes it doesn't catch fire like some synthetics can. Wool is quiet when you're in heavy brush tryng to sneak up on unsuspecting prey. Branches and the like sound like a concert rubbing on denim, nylon, and cordura type fabrics.

Wool is also a renewable resource, like fur.
 
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I love both fleece and wool ..
In summertime I love my Icebreaker T.. It keeps me cool when it's hot, and warm when it's cool. In the winter I prefer synthetics cause it wicks moisture away much better and dries a lot easier.. In Civilian life I'm a fan of Icebreaker too. I prefer it over fleece then.. Both are great, but make sure you get the right stuff.. Merino wool and Polartec fleece are top notch and will serve you for many years..
 
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