Wootz? & Rhino?

it looks like a choora or pesh kabz with a buffalo horn handle.
That definitely looks like laha in the cracks.
 
Well Danny you certainly gave me a laugh! Guess you want a reaction.

Ok here it is!

I though you might have a clue about knives as you talk about buying them all the time.

O well live & learn!

Theres a lot I dont know about this knife but what you say is just ridiculous imho.

The one type of horn it isnt is buffalo horn, From my own expierience & also from chatting with Tilak {the joint largest exporter of kukri from Nepal according to the ups/dhl shipping figures} when he came over last month to sunny England. We talked kukri for 10 hours non stop, Well apart from the meal & drink that Simon & Leanne treated us too!

He would have corrected me if it was Buffalo horn believe me! He knows lots about what steel, leather & horn gets bought & used by the differnt kukri makers.


As for seeing laha in the cracks ,, Whats cracks? :rolleyes: there arnt any! No cracks no Laha. The knife handle is a lot bigger in the photo than in real life! :rolleyes:

If you look at the best custom knives they always have Nickelsilver or some such liners to stop any moisture in the horn rusting the tang. ~Thats what you can see!

Its a sign of quality!


Pesh Always have a t spine for penertrating armour,

Choora do as well!

{ In England a Choora is any knife in gangland circles. "Choored" is stabbed ,robbed or cut. Guess its Gypsy slang originaly which would be from an Indian language.}

Anyway Dan when you get back to usa perhaps you can have a close look at custom knives & learn to see the differances available in quality.

One day you might even find a knife like this! if your very lucky! ;)

"Laha in the Cracks" thats a scream! :barf: :D

Cheers John, Know what you mean but there is more detail in that steel I coudnt catch! perhaps better lighting would do it!

Cheers,
Spiral :)
 
I can't imagine why you felt the need to insult me.
I wasnt trying to insult your knife.
I looked at the pics and saw the same color stuff that you find in HI knives in between the scales and the bolster. (ie, "cracks")

Any knife scholar will tell you that there is not such thing as "always" when it comes to weapons morphology. This is even truer about foreign, hand made knives.

"habaki? on a khukuri? thats impossible!"


I know allen elishewitz, christopher black, and JP Moss personally.
I have more than a clue about knives.

But, since it my new philosophy not to argue over little, meaningless things anymore, Im going to stop here.

(p.s.- Kards are aLWAYS straight. get a clue)
 
PG
 


Sorry if I mistook your stance as a piss take Danny, & proceded to ridicule you.

If you belive its laha & buffolo horn, fair comment.

I just coudnt belive you were serious!

O well my mistake. you were.!


Danny Qoute
"But, since it my new philosophy not to argue over little, meaningless things anymore, Im going to stop here.

(p.s.- Kards are aLWAYS straight. get a clue)"

Interesting ploy! Say your above it all then have a little dig! :D

Anyway Dan when your a bit more used to ethnographic arms you will realise Kards are not always straight! 95% are but not all of them. Although the old works classed them that way.


The next great Islamic arms book to be published will explain that in more detail for you.

O well funny that I thought you were having a wind up, I suppose thats because I presumed you would like it.

O well I musnt be such a sensitive soul in my old age.

cheers,
Spiral :D
 
dude, i probably shouldnt even be posting when i dont fully understand what you're saying. Some of your idioms are not immediately clear.
I honestly thought it was laha and it still looks like laha to me. Perhaps it is the color tinting in the photo.

I wouldnt post a "piss take" even if I thought the knife was crappy. (which i dont)
I would hope that you thought better of me than to do something like that.

I never imagined you would be offended by the idea that water buffalo horn and laha would be involved.

sorry.
 
Im not certain what the steel is, but I dont think it is wootz. From what I have seen with wootz, it is usually darker with light specles. A search for "Al Pendrav" will bring up many fun wootz links :) . You probally dont want to try this with that knife but wootz will easily scratch glass or shave metal from a nail. How are the metal liners under the mystery horn fixed to the blade? Forge welded, pinned? And what are the liners made of? And, are the two darker areas of brass in the bolster pins or discoloration? I wouldnt rule out buffalo horn as the handle material.
 
Well it looks to me like the stacked, and forge welded steel, that not a few of the old knives were made from, but would like clearer pix before I would swear to it. Although the speckles or sparkles that Spiral describes that could make a person think it was wootz could be due to the steel itself containing bits of matrix that wasn't completely forged away. But that seems unlikely from the overall appearance of quality the blade shows.

I wouldn't rule out buffalo horn on the handle either.
I have an old, probably 100 years, reproduction of a Rodgers No 6 Folding Hunting Knife that has buffalo scales on it that appear exactly the same way as does the scales in the pic.
And, I might add, also has liners under them. In this case it wasn't a matter of quality so much that they are there, but a necessary item in order to appear to be a Real Rodgers Knife instead of a repro.
I bought the knife at a Gun & Knife show thinking it might actually be a real one as I had just recalled enough info to be dangerous. Instead of having the Star & Cross of a true Rodgers it had two Crosses; I was Double Crossed!:rolleyes: :grumpy:
But I got it at a good price, $20.00, and I could get my money out of it ifen I wanted, hell, after all it's a good 100 years old or more!:p
Still Spiral got himself a damned nice looking knife and one I wouldn't mind having in my collection.
Here's hoping you got it at a good price Spiral. Personally I wouldn't have any idea of what one like that may be worth.
 
Yvsa said:
I was Double Crossed!
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Nice one, Yvsa....:D

As far as I can tell, it's not wootz. The pattern doesn't seem right. Wootz is much more uniform - that's what I gathered anyway.

Still could be patter-welded damascus. Try some vinegar on it. Soak for an hour or so. That will bring out the contrast. Right after you take it out of the vinegar, rinse it with acetone and scrub it very lightly with a steel wool pad. Then take a pic and show us the results. Should help the pattern pop out more.

Afterwards, you can take it off with a gentle polishing, or even just more of the lime juice on a steel wool pad.
 
Forgot to say:

I like it a lot!!

What a grab!!
 
All I'se gots to say is that the very clear photos show a third substance between the slabs and the bolster. Whether it be something like cutler's resin (laha) or a metallic substance is difficult to ascertain from the photo and the accompanying description.

It does however appear to be a very nice piece to my inexperienced eye. Congrats on the snag, and maybe lighten up a bit. You might have gotten another piece of shyte from FleaBay.

BTW, "pram" also refers to a small, easy to handle watercraft (sailing or rowing) with a blunt bow. Stability and ease of handling is the priority, not performance. They are often employed for introducing youngsters to boating. There are a few "one design classes" that meet this description. However since the boats are identical, racing competition can be quite intense, since it is the ability of the skipper and crew that determines the outcome of a race between identical craft.

As far as PeRAMbulators go, I guess it must be who has the fleetest nanny....

pram.jpg


Vanguard Pram

Gentlemen, choose your vehicles!!!
 
This pesh kabz maybe a poor beat up cousin! :D .Though this blade has a T cross section at the spine and a thickened armour piercing tip.
Choora or choori means knife in Hindi and Urdu and it is a broadly used term.
Excuse the poor quality of the pics.Will try and post better pics after the treatment Dan has suggested :) .
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/9800/peshkabz5.jpg
http://img37.exs.cx/img37/9276/peshkabz1.jpg


http://img37.exs.cx/img37/3158/peshkabz2.jpg


http://img37.exs.cx/img37/1287/peshkabz6.jpg


http://img37.exs.cx/img37/2815/peshkabz4.jpg



Yaj.
 
Hi Folks,

Thanks for all the input!

Well it sounds like a few of you think its Buffalo horn, Well I would be surprised if it is, but there nothing new in that!

If you had said Goat, Sheep, Yak or something I havent handled lots of I wouldnt be so surprised!

I do wonder Yvsa how you know you old knife is buffalo horn? ;)

The layer between the brass bolster & the grips is a metal liner.

The dark "spots" on the bolster are the 3 pins that hold it together.
The handle slabs are pinned.

I guess some of you didnt see all the pix, so will try & post some more here.

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spiral
 
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