worthless gaurd dogs

rosconey2

rosconey2

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who else has a dog (in my case 2) that should put the fear of god into anyone who enters your house-but dont-

roscoe is a 120lb pittrott who is a total piece of shit-dog wont bark when someone is at the door-if a friend enters the house he wont even get his ass up to look who it is-hardly any friends do that, so it doesnt happen enough for him to get used to it-eats my friggin tomato's off the vine if im not looking also-and he looks mean as hell,thats what sucks the most,all looks no cooks

mopar his half sister is a rottlabb-110lb or so-also wont bark,and when people come in wont leave them alone,thats about the only time she moves-
i figure its the lab half-so she gets a pass on being nasty-

the day robbers stop by for my knives and stereo the dogs will hold the door open for them-hell it wouldnt surprise me if they order a pizza for the guy-
 
You need a poodle! They bark like hell, and a full size standard sounds like all hell is breaking loose. They sound like they weigh 150 lbs, but are about 65 for a male.

They won't eat your burglers, but sound like they will.

If you want one that will actually protect you, then you need to pick a standard - a big standard with an attitude. They exist...smart dogs, but require grooming.

If you really want a "guard dog" - you probably can't beat a good German Shepard. You just need to locate a good one from a decent breeder. Black labs can also serve, but I'd go with a shepard.

If I were looking for a tough dog with an attitude and smart - I'd look to an airdale. More compact, but tough.

If you want something really big that will make a burgler make in his pants, then you can't beat an Irish Wolfhound or a properly trained great dane.
 
Your dogs may not bark and may not threaten, but is that a bad thing? Perhaps their worth lies in other areas. I don't personally select my friends and companions (including pets) based on what they can do for me.

It sounds like your dogs are happy and mildly mannered. This won't do for a guard dog but in any other dog, it's considered a good thing.
 
I've heard Swedish Elkhounds make pretty good watch (i.e. barking) dogs. And you can't go wrong with a good German Shepard. Most amazing looking dog I've ever seen was a Shepard-Malamute mix. And damn, seeing that dog would make someone think twice before messing with your house.

I've got to agree with Dave though. Sounds like your dogs are gentle and mild mannered - exactly what you need in a dog 99.9% of the time.

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Dave Rishar said:
Your dogs may not bark and may not threaten, but is that a bad thing? Perhaps their worth lies in other areas. I don't personally select my friends and companions (including pets) based on what they can do for me.

It sounds like your dogs are happy and mildly mannered. This won't do for a guard dog but in any other dog, it's considered a good thing.
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I hope he's making a joke, but Dave, if he isn't, well...

As for dogs that don't make good guards, my family had a yellow lab, golden and a junkyard siberian husky mix. The lab and the golden would raise hell if anyone came up the driveway and as soon as someone came to the fence, they would melt, but the mix would just sit back and look as peaceful as a sunny day. Anyone stuck their hand over the fence to pet him though, they were lucky if they brought more than a stump back. He was fast and vicious. Bit me on the nose once, when I was a little kid. He became an old softie two years before he passed.
 
The world is full of dogs that will senselessly bark and attack.

When I was 17 my dog Finney would wake up the house when I snuck in early in the morning, acting like a prime guard dog, 'just barking to warn' the family.

But when two police officers entered the home looking for me one night, Finney remained sound asleep.


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Look at it on the brite side. Your dogs aren't chaseing or biting your neighbors. I had a boxer and some friends of mine also have one. They are well monored when company comes to visit,but if they hear something thats not right. All hell breaks loose
 
My 90 pound, 14 month old Labrador pup named Buddy is similar. He will actually let out the deepest, meanest sounding warning barks you have ever heard. He sounds like a hell hound. He is pretty large and muscular too, so he looks kind of intimidating. But when you get in the house, it does'nt matter who you are, he basically assaults you with excitement. He will cover you in drool in about 3 seconds flat. Friendliest frickin dog ever! He won't leave you alone either. If a burglar broke in, they would be his best friend as he loves visitors. If they gave him a treat, he would walk them back to my gun safe. Crazy Labs!! Heres a few pics of the stinker.

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Rosconey2, I have a great pyrenees who behaves exactly as you describe when I am home and awake. When I am asleep, he goes into alert mode, and will bark/growl at the slightest provocation. When I am not home and it's just my wife, he goes into high alert mode again, and will not let anybody in the house. When we all walk together, he is a big happy muppet. When it is just he and my wife, no male person is allowed within 10 feet. You ever seen a pissed pyrenees? They almost double in size (due to the long hair and mane), and they are pretty damn big dogs to start with.

My point here is that I am betting that your dogs are looking at you as the Alpha pack leader...ergo it's your job to take care of your house while you are awake and home. I am betting that if you aren't home, their response is completely different. They will also take a cue from you as to whether they should be upset or not. If you are agitated about someone coming to the door, I bet that they will be also.
 
Beautiful Lab, LHB. Got a good chuckle out of some of the posts here. We are about to become dog-owners - my wife's best friend has given her a chihuahua (we have yet to pick it up, but should have it in the next few days). Add that to a household with 4 boys, in a house that was too small for us on the day we moved in - I can hardly wait. :rolleyes: :)

Eric
 
Eric006 said:
Beautiful Lab, LHB. Got a good chuckle out of some of the posts here. We are about to become dog-owners - my wife's best friend has given her a chihuahua (we have yet to pick it up, but should have it in the next few days). Add that to a household with 4 boys, in a house that was too small for us on the day we moved in - I can hardly wait. :rolleyes: :)

Eric
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sorry but that aint no dog- its nothing but a rat that jumped the fence -a wetback rat so to speak
 
Yup, nothing beats a good German Shepherd (except maybe one that has a little Black Lab mixed in).

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Our 6-year-old can pester her, snuggle, play rough with the pull toys, etc. and she just puts up with it. But try to sneak up to our house or come inside without one of us there, be prepared for a 70lb snarling and barking beast. :D

- Mark
 
rosconey2 said:
sorry but that aint no dog- its nothing but a rat that jumped the fence -a wetback rat so to speak
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OK, a "pet-owner" then. :) It's my wife's, so I can't make too many derogatory comments about it, at least not in front of her. And, like I said to a friend at work, it's probably good to start small - that way, if it meets a bad end, the hole doesn't have to be too deep. ;)

(My aunt, who lived on the farm where she was born until she died, always had German Shepherds, so I am partial to them.)

Eric
 
very few dogs are bred to work these days, especially the popular guarding dogs like GSDs, Rotties, Dobermans etc. Breeders make a lot of noise about how good their dogs are but unless they can prove they are breeding for the right characteristics - and the only way is by competition success - Working trials, French/Belgian ring/ KNPV etc - its just noise.
The odds are your dog will not produce the goods if it is alone at home however ferocious it may sound - and you want a controllable dog - not a biohazard!
My personal favourite as a breed is the Malinois, (a type of Belgian shepherd) not so big (max 30Kg) but very fast and agile. Not so popular that it has been ruined by the puppy factories. It is a working dog though and needs to be worked - too much dog just to sit in your yard. If you just want a big impressive dog to look at I guess just about anything would do - but don't expect it to have what it takes when it needs to really perform (which hopefully will be never if it looks the part).
 
A few random bits, {All IMHO of course.}

They sound like good family dogs. :thumbup:

Your dogs will defend you.;)

Pits dont always protect thier property, they like humans generaly.:rolleyes:

Rots & dobermans on guard usualy dont bark before they bite. They like to ambush, they dont like thier target to get away. :D :D

Get a terrior to keep check & bark & the bigger dogs will follow the terriers watchdog instincts if needed.

German shepards guard & bark but are usualy clever enough to back off if they realise they might lose.:eek:

Normaly A rot/pit wont back off once it goes off.

Spiral
 
i never turn down a chance to post my doggies pictures:

Blue thinks he is a guard dog & will bark at intruders or strange noises. millie will bark if blue doesn't,their barks are very deep & convincing. both can be quite intimidating as their ears go back & the toofers get displayed (little do they know that greyhounds ears go back normally when they are erect is when they should worry, it's a wind resistance thing)

if a burglar came in and attacked me, i don't know what they'd do, but if he didn't, they'd help him carry out my stuff if he petted them. they don't know that tho. of course if the burglar attacked me he'd have a few non-dog related holes to worry about. doberman's have a lot of greyhound in them as they were used to develope the breed. purebred greys are not good guard or defense dogs, tho they can be watch dogs and alert you to anything unusual, but so could a jack russel. they are more intimidating from the other side of a door tho, 2 noisey 70lb dogs beat a noisey 10 lb JRT any day.

My guard dogs: (when i'm looking)

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Blue................................................................................................Millie

(when i'm not looking)

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or they take turns guarding the door
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Blue's turn. he has his stuffie 'turnip' on point so he can catch a few winks....

what they'd rather be doing: patrolling the perimeter against them evil terrorist bunnies!
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We've got two aussies (Australian Shepards) that very much do the whole bark-their-heads-of-and-then-become-your-best-friend thing. Only problem is that when they're done barking to show they like you they smile, and it looks like their going to bite your friggin head off. :D

It's always fun to explain that they're not really bloodthirsty, they're just saying hello. :p
 
I luv de dawgs, so...with an admitted bias:

Unless things have changed, most home defense strategists recommend a barking dog over a biting dog. You don't want a dog you own to bite, but rather to warn you. If it does bite, you can have legal issues. Not fair in some cases, but, that's the way it is.

Last time I read of it, most interviews with home intruders said they would give a home a "pass" if there was a barking dog on the premises.

Generally, one doesn't "know" that his dog will rush to his defense if he is attacked by another human, but most often, if it is in the home, it is unlikely. Biped interaction is normal in households.

Things change when another dog is introduced to the situation. Then, the dynamic is territorial and there are powerful instincts which respond to territorial defense. Animal on animal can produce a powerful atavistic surge.

Things also change when the dog is outside the home, or the home territory.

Bwray posted once that he had had Airdales, and I think Yvsa said he did also when he was a kid. they can speak to their experiences.

I think a small dog is as good as, or better, a companion as any breed. And for alarm purposes, maybe perfect.

I love the look of pits, but too much has been done to them for me to ever trust them. (Right now, there are 47 pitbulls in the Madison, WI, Human Society. They were seized in a drug raid/animal cruelty investigation. Some have three legs, another is blinded, most have scars from fights. On TV, they were mostly swinging their entire bodies in servile appreciation of the Animal Control folks. They were just DELIGHTED to be with people! But in the presence of another dog...(or sadly, sometimes a small child)...and watch out.)

A well-bred shepherd, retriever, or other working dog is truly hard to match as a companion. The more territorial types will warn, and sometimes threaten intruders.

But a great deal of the response of a dog is due to learned behavior by the owner. Ultimately, you influence the response.

Be well and safe.
 
lefthandblack said:
Crazy Labs!!
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Great looking dog. I had a yellow lab female for a long time and she wasn't much of a watch dog at all. Would bark at me when I came home, but wouldn't even bark at strangers and was friendly to everyone.

Finally had to get a barking dog and happened on a chow mix from the pound. He barked too much and neighbors called the dog catcher man several times. The dog catcher man said he rated his bark 8 to 9 on a scale of 10 and this dog was only about 65 lbs. I had to put a shock collar on him, but he was the best watch dog I ever had.
 
i would advise looking up "clicker training"; they sell a book and kit at most pet stores for cheap. get it. train them dogs (and cats and ferrets) what you WANT them to do. my ex had hers trained to all but attack the door if they so much as heard a human (but nothing else)... they would also instantly cease when told to.

apparently it's fairly easy to do, fun for you and the dog, and well, it works. i'm reading the book this weekend myself, for other reasons.

bladite
 
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