Would like to build a Scagel

Thanks for the finishing instructions and other info Kevin. Yes, the connection is now made! This is really exciting for me. As for the steel, right now I'm thinking about 01 or D2 for my knife, but I'm wondering how far back D2 goes.. Does Dr. Lucie ever discuss what he likes to use? I figure that his choice would be the closest to the original steel. That may be something that he likes to let others find for themselves.
Thank you again Kevin.
 
This is a link to a history of iron steel makeing in Sweden. Pretty interesting reading. it mentions Silver-steel and the company Sandvik sounds like drill rod. Sandvik is still in business today.

http://runeberg.org/steelswe/0151.html


http://www.worldknives.com/wkscandinavia.html mention of silver steel

http://www.modelflying.co.uk/features/feature5/ british model maker reference swedish silver steel rod

http://www.attacc.com/acatalog/Attleborough_Accessories_Knife_Making.html
silver steel rods for pins

HA I FOUND IT
http://home.comcast.net/~bradjarvis3/hankala.html

Jukka Hankala knifeblades forged from round bar Silversteel: C 1.18%, Cr 0.7% and V 0.1%.

I'm tired you guys will hafta cross reference it to american steel. :D :D :D
 
Hey Robert,
If you have old copies of Blade magazine check out May 2004.....There is stuff on the Scagel knife Bo Randal found(some guy scrapin his boat with it) and then there is a nice article about Scagel knives. Thought you might want to check it out.
Mace
 
Mace said:
Hey Robert,
If you have old copies of Blade magazine check out May 2004.....There is stuff on the Scagel knife Bo Randal found(some guy scrapin his boat with it) and then there is a nice article about Scagel knives. Thought you might want to check it out.
Mace
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Thanks Mace, I'm not sure if I have that one or not. Darren Ellis and I traded a while back and I gave him some Mammoth Ivory in exchange for a huge stack of knife related magazines. I'll go through them and see. If I don't, I'll get one from the magazine unless I can someone to zerox the article and email or snail it. I NEED that article :( I'm trying to find all that I possible can on the subject, including what Sweany found! Thanks guy, my search for the correct steel is currently underway also. Then to decide on a knife style/type (hunter, ect), and learn about the stacked handles. I have a ways to go, but the list is getting a little smaller thanks to the great help in this thread!
I have it Mace! I checked my stack and there it was, so thanks for the heads up bud! I'm off to my recliner with a glass of tea to do some pleasurable reading. Robert
 
Here's an "update" on my quest to build a good Scagel style knife. I've been able to chat with several more people, including Mr. Doug Noren, who had been giving talks at the Scagel Expos. He filled me in on some forging details, and we discussed the stacked handles in detail. Also, the prized piece of bronze that Kevin Cashen so graciously sent me, arrived several days ago. I was like a kid a Christmas opening that box up. Inside, was a carefully packed piece of bronze, tighly wrapped up in a sheet of clean, white paper. As I unfolded it, my excitement grew. I was getting ready to look upon something, that Mr. William Wales Scagel himself had held and looked at the exact same piece. Neat feeling. The bronze was much larger than I anticipated, being about 2.5 x 2.5 x .5 inches. I already have plans as to how I'll use it. More about that later. Thanks Kevin, this was oh so kind of you, and has put a different feel and meaning into my project.
That's about it for now, but the journey continues. I'm still checking into different steels that Mr. Scagel may have used. I've located a German "silversteel" that may turn out to have good properties, but may not be that much different than the 5160 or 10 series steels. In the meantime, I'm still searching for pictures, articles, and anything else "Scagel" related. This project has put a lot of meaning into my knifework, I'm enjoying it so much more now that I have a goal.
 
Stacey said (reference the Scagel Calendar): "Robert,I'll copy them this evening and send them to you.I will look in my notes and see if I have any construction info on the ones I examined.
Stacy"

Hi Stacey, I'm getting concerned that our great mail service may have lost this for us! Would it be possibly to ask for another copy, should it not arrive here this week? I'm still anxiously awaiting!

I'm still fingering this beautiful piece of "Scagel Bronze" that Kevin so graciously sent me to use in the project. I can imagine Mr. Scagel holding and looking at the very same piece.

I have some more info on my project, that I'll post later. I've started practice forging some Stagel Style blade, It's pretty easy and natural to get the upward curve, but my cross section needs a lot of work. Also, his plunge is something like I've not seen before.
 
Stacey, the calendar arrived in the noon mail, just 3 hours after I typed the above note wondering if it had gotten lost. :footinmou

Thanks for going to all the trouble! You did a beautiful job of copying it, and the notes you sent are a real asset!

Let me know when I can return the favor!
Robert
 
According to the info on the site
Jukka Hankala knifeblades forged from round bar Silversteel: C 1.18%, Cr 0.7% and V 0.1%.


his might be the closest American Equivalant

Subcategory: High Carbon Steel; Metal; Tool Steel; Water-Hardening Steel

Close Analogs: AISI Type W1, AISI Type W2

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[size=-1]C[/size][size=-1]1.05 - 1.15[/size] [size=-1]Cr[/size][size=-1]0.5[/size] [size=-1]Fe[/size][size=-1]97[/size] [size=-1]Mn[/size][size=-1]0.25[/size] [size=-1]P[/size][size=-1]Max 0.03[/size] [size=-1]S[/size][size=-1]Max 0.03[/size] [size=-1]Si[/size][size=-1]0.25[/size] [size=-1]V[/size][size=-1]Max 0.1[/size]


I found this info here http://www.matweb.com/search/SearchComp.asp

neat little search engine.
here's the home page
http://www.matweb.com/index.asp?ckck=1

O-1 looks pretty close except it has tungsten in it..
 
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