Wow!! Benchmade csk ii chipped!!

markksr said:
The simple fact of the matter is that he broke a perfectly good knife through bad chopping technique.

See how that works both ways...
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Yes, it does.

But as far as I´m concerned, Nutnfancy is your Joe Average. He knows a thing or two about knives and tactical/survival use, without being the "uber" expert. And guess what, neither am I. This is why I watch his videos. He makes many points that are valid for the average knife-person.

So if a knife fails when he uses it, there´s a good chance it would have failed on me too. And we´re not talking minor chipping here, as I would have expected from using it hard either. He hacked off what, three or four small limbs on that tree and it took a huge chunk out of the blade. I too would have expected more from a Benchmade.

That doesn´t mean that the knife is bad, mind you, it just goes to show that it is not suited at all for chopping.
 
That looks like a pretty obvious manufacturer error and a warranty case for me. No matter how bad your chopping technique is, that should never happen even to a decent cheapo kitchen knife when chopping small limbs like that. The temperature will not cause something like that, either. 18 F is only, what, -8 degrees Celcius?
 
The shown chips are large. Where are the pieces?

I believe it is a fake video. His statements about thinness are absolutly nonsense.

Go out everybody try to make such chips by chopping limbs.

Pure nonsense video.

Proove me the opposite and send the knife to anyone, who is serious about knives.

Reiner Schwachsinn!
 
Around here the temps are hovering the -20C (-4F) mark these days. My buddy and I are going to do some chopping in the field out behind his shop soon. Those trees should be good and frozen.
I'll be taking my Busse ASH-1 to task. I'll post some pics.
 
Anyone else find it "odd" that this video and story have been spread across several knife forums this weekend, and all by newly registered accounts???

Hmmm.........
 
I saw the video almost right when it came out, and he really wasn't doing anything wrong. Perhaps it was a bad blade, but maybe the whole series is bad for chopping. I am nowhere near a knife expert, but I trust nutnfancy's reviews. I am pretty sure that the video is not fake, because he was just showing how to build a shelter, and his knife broke.
 
I'm really not a huge fan of the CSK II anyhow. Crummy sheath (feels like it came off of a UC piece) marginal ergos, and looks like a poor CS RSK knockoff. The first Benchmade I've been distinctly disappointed with since their red class NRA pieces.

That being said I EDC a Benchmade and own many others. Let's hope they can fix this issue post haste!
 
Bear Claw Chris Lappe said:
Anyone else find it "odd" that this video and story have been spread across several knife forums this weekend, and all by newly registered accounts???

Hmmm.........
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I'm really sorry I'm a new member. So far I had been looking at your posts and finally I decided to participate maybe to learn something... not just watching Youtube videos as Markksr so wisely stated yesterday. I really thought that something like this would have been just a good topic of discussion, because unless you have a sight problem, even Nutnfancy was very surprised with what happened.
Bad chopping technique? What technique do you need to chop half an inch limbs out of a live spruce? If you are batoning through a five, six, or seven inches log I agree that you need a good technique. I remember that quite a while ago I saw pictures in one of these forums of a Cold Steel Recon Scout severed at the hilt, with the blade still stuck in the log they were trying to split (during a winter camp). It also generated a lot of buzz. I don't think that the intention of the original poster was to create a problem to Cold Steel, but just to try to find out what could have happened and generate a HEALTHY discussion.
I agree that the BM case probably was a one in a thousand occurrence... but, who knows. Maybe if NutnFancy sent the blade back we will know, eventually.
Until then, I'll keep watching his videos, trying to learn to do some things, and also trying to learn how NOT to do others.

Godspeed guys :confused:

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I've also been out there... in the forest, in the snow, in the desert, in the rain, under the open sky laying in a bed of leaves, where the truth lives.
 
His technique is OK. Those are signature, half-moon torque breaks, not chips. Small branches can generate a lot of lateral torque forces on the blade edge when chopping. I had a Cold Steel X2 with a 6-inch, AUS 8 blade do the same thing while chopping small branches that were hanging into the trail. The blade catches an off-angle grain pattern that wrenches the blade laterally to the original swing. Thin blade can't take that kind of lateral torque on its edge when it is magnified by the force and leverage of the swing. Heavier blades roll, but thin blades break.

There could still be a problem with that particular blade, but my guess is that the blade is too thin for that kind of chopping. That knife would go through a 2x4 with no problem, but small branches present a much tougher challenge.

I think he makes a good point that big knives are better choppers. He also makes a point for destruction tests. It can save your life to know the limits of your tools.
 
Ugh, I've chopped with my CSKII, and had no problem. Benchmade has been doing it long enough to know how to HT 1095. It is either a defect, which happens, user error, which happens, or he hit something harder than the knife could handle, which also happens. The only issue I have had with my CSKII is the sheath was not for me. Other than that, it has been flawless. It was what I was looking for, in the price range. Though his videos can inform, I am certainly not taking anything Nutnfancy states as gospel, and certainly his style and some of the things he says can make my eyes roll. All he proved was on that given day, with that particular knife, that HE could chip the blade.
 
Smash05 said:
Though his videos can inform, I am certainly not taking anything Nutnfancy states as gospel, and certainly his style and some of the things he says can make my eyes roll.
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I agree with you. It is just a real life situation in which a user (with a lot of experience I must say), find himself with a blade ruined doing a task that shouldn't have caused it.
In my case, I've always payed not much attention to weight when it comes to carry knives, or even a small axe (in fact I have one that is a killer). I wouldn't go out with at least three knives for different tasks from 9" or 10" to 3.5" or 4" (Mora or Buck Vanguard most likely). I would have never used the BM to chop anyway.
 
Twindog said:
His technique is OK. Those are signature, half-moon torque breaks, not chips. Small branches can generate a lot of lateral torque forces on the blade edge when chopping. I had a Cold Steel X2 with a 6-inch, AUS 8 blade do the same thing while chopping small branches that were hanging into the trail. The blade catches an off-angle grain pattern that wrenches the blade laterally to the original swing. Thin blade can't take that kind of lateral torque on its edge when it is magnified by the force and leverage of the swing. Heavier blades roll, but thin blades break.

There could still be a problem with that particular blade, but my guess is that the blade is too thin for that kind of chopping. That knife would go through a 2x4 with no problem, but small branches present a much tougher challenge.

I think he makes a good point that big knives are better choppers. He also makes a point for destruction tests. It can save your life to know the limits of your tools.
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I assumed the lateral force occured during one of the several times that the blade struck a glancing blow against the frozen trunk after passing through the twig. Hence, silly technique. And I would think that big knives = better choppers should be self evident and not require the trashing of a smaller, thinner profiled blade to prove.
 
roughedges said:
I assumed the lateral force occured during one of the several times that the blade struck a glancing blow against the frozen trunk after passing through the twig. Hence, silly technique. And I would think that big knives = better choppers should be self evident and not require the trashing of a smaller, thinner profiled blade to prove.
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I have to agree, although I cannot claim to be an expert at steel, and how it behaves - he appeared to be going at that task in a rushed manner, chopping away haphazardly at potentially frozen limbs and branches, and it does appear as if he hit the trunk several times.
 
Bad technique?
Wrong tool?
Nah, couldn't be.
He must be an expurt, he's on youtube.
 
Smash05 said:
I have to agree, although I cannot claim to be an expert at steel, and how it behaves - he appeared to be going at that task in a rushed manner, chopping away haphazardly at potentially frozen limbs and branches, and it does appear as if he hit the trunk several times.
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Yeah, I got the impression that he was rushed, more afraid of losing the light than he was concerned with using his tools properly. A true sign of a professional, youtube reviewer! :rolleyes:
 
roughedges said:
Yeah, I got the impression that he was rushed, more afraid of losing the light than he was concerned with using his tools properly. A true sign of a professional, youtube reviewer! :rolleyes:
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Close to the way I saw it.
I thought he was paying more attention to the camera than to what he was doing and this caused the "glancing blows" which led to the edge breaking.
 
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