WOW Just when you thought it was all over......Mad Dog!

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Mike Turber

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Well looks like Mad Dog just does not get it. This is not a flame folks but an answer to the uneducated diatribe below.

The post below is on www.tacticalforums.com in the general section posted by Kevin Mclung AKA MAD DOG.
Merry Christmas, all,
I just read where another Forum is begging for subscribers for a new "online magazine" in order to help defray the "huge costs of their running expenses, UBB software", etc..
They want $29.95 a year from their 4000+ users to get their new magazine, and "help support the Forums" there. Do the math.
Thats about $119,800.00 a year.
They sound like Oral Roberts, or Jerry Falwell with their impassioned pleas for "mo money".

What a scream!
Maybe we did something wrong. This Forum cost all of $600.00 to set up, and about $30.00 a month to run at present.
This includes the one time cost for the UBB Software, the monthly server fees, and all of the setup costs.
Grand total first year costs should end up at about $960.00.
That extra $119,000 would sure go a long way...

We do not pay people to come to this site, so we save a bundle there.
We conned all of our Moderators into doing it for free, so they cost nothing more than the occassional phone call to jolly them along into greater efforts on our behalf.
Our banner ads cost all of $20.00 a month, so the five of them defray the overall operating costs quite nicely, with a bit left over that we are putting towards a high quality digital camera so we can add more pictures. We do all of this out of pocket because it is fun, and not terribly commercial.
So, instead of paying for something that you can get for free, DUH, take whatever "extra money" you have this season and....

Do us all a favor, and send donations to the Salvation Army. These folks REALLY help people, and your donations will be well spent.
$10.00 will feed at least five hungry people, $30.00 will make Christmas a wonderful thing for some ten children, and more will do even more.
Contributions are also tax deductable.
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Well the fact is that if we were not getting the traffic we do, we would not need to support this site. This may not be a problem for them based on the traffic they get.

Mr. Mad Dog,

I would suggest you call any ISP and tell them you have a site which passes a gig every 18 hours, takes up 3.2 gig of server space and generates 235,000+ Real hits a day (not just hits but actual page views).

Then post what they say. Until then, you know not what you say.

Or better yet, call Rich Lucibella and ask him what happened when his site www.thefiringline.com was caught for having too much bandwidth usage.

We received a bill for nearly $6,000 back in February for bandwidth. At a wholesale cost of only $25 per gig, we still use roughly 45 gigs a month! That is about $1,100 a month in bandwidth alone! So we bought our own server and now pay a flat rate for all of our sites, which happens to include The Firing Line. We offer him the same flat rate we get. He pays $200 a month for bandwidth which is a bargain considering his traffic.

So please don't play your game with me as you know not what you say.

Also, you mention that if we get all 4,000+ members paying for a magazine, we would make $119,000. I assure you we are nowhere near that. If we get there I am sure I will move to Hawaii as planned and still run this site. I would love to sit around and do nothing more than run a forum and make $120,000 a year. Get real dude.

This site currently costs me about $2,500 a month. I pay Spark to run it for me and part of the above figure is his portion of his salary. The magazine and other things we do offset this amount. If your site ever gets the traffic we do, you will see what I mean.

I think our members are happy with what we are doing overall. We are not perfect but based on the stats, we are doing something right.

Thanks for visiting our site Mad Dog. You are welcome here and you can post your concerns right here without fear of being censored or deleted.

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PS... I tried to post a response on your forum, but I see I am already banned.

You are not banned here, and the words "tacticalforums" and "mad dog" are not banned either. I see now that "bladeforums" and "turber" are banned words on your forum.

I am not sure what your agenda is, or why you have such a problem with me. If you ever show up at a show I will be happy to talk to you in person. Not to mention the number of emails I have sent to you trying to figure out why you hate me so much.

You may want to subscribe to my Magazine because your ATAK will be the first knife tested and you may want to see the results. In fact I have already tested it. It actually did pretty well.

Don't make a war between the forums McClung, as it does the members no good. Not to mention how sick they are of seeing this crap. I will answer each question you pose. Till next time take a chill pill.

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[This message has been edited by Mike Turber (edited 11 December 1999).]
 
Mike,
I support you 100%. Apparently Mr. MadDog doesn't get the kind of hits you do here. I looked at his site and wondered whether it was deserted. I love bladeforums because of all the great people and the real time interaction.
In life there are just those kind of people out there. You set an excellent example of how to deal with difficult people. Treat them fairly, let the talk out their a$$es all they want. They just make themselves look ignorant. I know the frustration you feel. Keep up the good work.

~Mitch
 
Two words: Screw 'em.
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Unless this argument is choreographed by the WWF and is just designed to "heat up" the membership, I respectfully suggest you ignore the whole thing- stand above it.
 
Ding, Ding, Ding. And there's the bell for round #3.



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I think the magazine is going to be pretty good. Im with Mike i mean if he can make that much, more power to him. i mean im sure thats not his motivation, but everything cost money, or Knives. 8-)

There is a big difference in 200 some odd members and well over 4000 members as is the difference between the two.
Mike has a buisness and overhead to like everyone else that does there own thing.
If he makes alittle money at it in the End, thats what having a buisness is about.

i dont see what the Problem is,,,other than
Mike is Doing his thing and somone doesnt like it.

anyway im going to subscribe, why you ask??
because i think its a great idea , and maybe i might learn things from it that i wouldnt be able to learn in most of the other Publications.

my opinion and .02

Allen Blade


PS , Mike Watch out for those White Mecedes benz Driven by Islamic Hitmen with Mp5`s,,,,,There everywhere I tell ya,,everywhere!!!!!! LMAO
 
Mr. Turber, I have never been to the Mad Dog's site until now. After reading your post I became rather curious and decided to find out something about the Tactical site before I opened my mouth. I clicked on the thread and went with an open mind. What a waste of my time. The forum topics seemed, well, boring and pigeon-holed. The number of posts was hilarious, there was no one there. The thing I love about BF is that there are always interesting things to read, such was not the case with Mad Dog's site. As far as the subscribtion issue, I know nothing about the costs of running a web site so I will keep my nose out of it. What I will say is that only a fool thinks that something is free. I'm sure the site does cost a lot of money, and if you want to offer a subscription to an on-line magazine that's fine. You're not charging to use the site. No one is forcing the BF members to pay you, so I don't see what Mad Dog's belly-aching about. Let's look at a bigger picture here. BF has over 4000 members, let's say that only 60% are active users. That's still 2400 members. With 2400 members, how many flames or serious arguments do you see? I've only seen 2 or 3 since I became a member in October. Is this because we all have the same opinion? Hell no. Is this because certain things are censored (like Mike ******)? Not to my knowledge. Is it because we're all sensitive to other member's feeling. No, just look at my tag line. It's because (IMO) no one here has an axe to grind. We've all got our opinions, sometimes they're the same, sometimes they're worlds apart, but (generally) we don't go around trying to piss in each other's corn flakes. At least, that's my opinion. But what do I know?
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Holy smokes Allen I can't believe you brought up the Mercedes!

What was the name of the shotgun?

Nvermind we can't go there. Although it would be fun let's drop the Chalupa!



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Mike, it is extremely unfortunate that you are forced to take the defensive position all of the time. It really makes McClung look bad. I did think it was over when he started his own forum but I guess he feels he has something to prove (or he is Jealous!!). Anyways, if you continue to take the high road you will continue to prevail in my eyes.
BTW banning your name is terribly petty!
 
Good points Johan but we can't stoop to that level. We must maintain what we have and answer questions when they come up.

When the US declares war on Portugal I will change my mind.

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No need to post a link to the forum over there Mike. Remember the old Zen koan:

When a Mad Dog barks in a forum and nobody is there to hear it, does it make a sound?
 
Mike,

I second Kelly's motion
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! I find Kevin's diatribes rather comical of late.

I don't know what all has been happening, nor really care, as the unfortunate turn with Earl, the "Cliff episodes" with Kevin's blades, the increased individual for sale posts of MD knives without the quick disposition in evidence a year ago, the constant shallow crap posted elsewhere, all add up to someone else's problem. I figure someone made a bed that they're currently having to sleep in and rather that confront reality, they choose transference in blaming everyone but themselves. A pity really. Light a candle for them
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By the way, I subscribed early last week. Just for the sake of your database, the T-Shirt is still fine as at that time the other options weren't online. I'll wear it proudly
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[This message has been edited by bald1 (edited 11 December 1999).]
 
I think what you are doing Mr. Turber is what this great country is about. CAPITALISM

Mr. Dog has a right to say anything he's of a mind to (within reason). He also has a right and freedom to be wrong. You have those same rights. Let the market determine if your doing things right. The market is always right. Charge 200.00$ per subscription and 2.00$ for each post and see what happens to bf. I'm not saying that you would, but the market will control what happens. I love what you have here and want to be a part of it. Let Mr. Dog be Mr. Dog.
 
Mike, how can you compete with them? You have 4,000 members while they have only a handful. You give away knives monthly. They don't even replace a knife they called counterfeit.

Cheers,

Dew.
 
Just what I needed to help me make up my mind...I'M SUBSCRIBING!!! I have learned more truth about knives on Bladeforums in the last year than from any other source and have also bought and sold many knives here for free. Even if I don't see a single issue of the E-zine, its worth the money just to support the forums from what I have learned in the last year.

Merry Christmas to all my fellow forumites. Bandwidth _is_ expensive, if you enjoy the forums, subscribe!
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