I've got the Sugar Creek Industries Knife makers large kiln, I think I paid a little over 500.00 for it with shipping, I've had it for around 7 months and it has done a great job. I was being cheap and didn't get the computer control on it, for another 200(ish) you can get the same computer control that the Evenheat uses. Eventually, I will add that to mine, as it is, I have to sit with it, and monitor the temps. The controls are ubber simple, as it has Hi, Lo and Off, with tick marks in between, so you have to watch the pyrometer to get to the desired temp. Plus, once you get there, during the soak time you have to adjust it back and forth keeping it in the desired range. Not a biggie really, just a pain in the buttocks. The only real problem is if your using the precision alloy steels, that have higher HT temps, if I'm not mistaker ATS34 requires 1950 degrees and a soak time of 30 minutes ( don't quote me on that), Sugar Creeks kiln is only warrantied to 2000 degrees, if you go over that temp, you void the warranty. Remember having to bump the control back and forth? That could get too hot easily, thats why I recommend the computer controls, not to mention it's programmable, so once you put it in you don't have to keep looking it up (for me double checking) the HT directions. Call Sue, she is wonderful to work with. Tell her Rex from Alabama told you to call and ask (really sweetly, a southern accent doesn't hurt either!) if there are any specials or discounts her number is (765)-339-4691. For the money it can not be beat. And if I could buy a different one, I probably wouldn't, unless I HAD to HT some steels that required more than 2000 degrees. Which I doubt will ever happen, as I LOVE 1084. If I ever use stainless it'll probably be ATS 34/ CPM 154. But I'll have the computer control then or send it off for HT. Hope this helps, Rex