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Photos WWII Japanese NCO Katana Identification Need Help

Discussion in 'Sword Discussion' started by RadioactiveMindz, Apr 14, 2018.

  1. RadioactiveMindz

    RadioactiveMindz

    5
    Apr 14, 2018
    Hey,
    Just trying to determine the authenticity and price of this "World War II" NCO Katana.
    The guy says on his ad: "I picked this up while I was living in Okinawa Japan", and goes on to talk about the features of the sword, describing that the green scabbard and green hand wraps are standard issue, most of what he says was added after the first time of me talking to him and asking for more details.
    I looked high and low, far and wide for information and details of WWII Japanese katana's and couldn't find much information or many pictures of similar swords.
    I'm just here looking for some help on identifying the sword and seeing if it's authentic so I know if it's worth adding to the collection.
    Any help is appreciated, thank you.
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  2. SpyderPhreak

    SpyderPhreak Rocketman for hire Platinum Member

    Apr 13, 2004
    I am unable to help you with your questions, sorry. But that appears to me to be of low quality, something to be sold to tourists.

    FYI, only paid memberships, gold level and above, may ask questions about values here.

    Welcome to the forum!
     
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  3. RadioactiveMindz

    RadioactiveMindz

    5
    Apr 14, 2018
    Realized the price thing after posting and couldn't edit it out.
    I was just asking because the guy is asking an absurd price for it, but is willing to trade for things a quarter of the price.
    Thanks for the information.
     
  4. SpyderPhreak

    SpyderPhreak Rocketman for hire Platinum Member

    Apr 13, 2004
    You will likely find the information you seek here, but it may take a few days before someone with the knowledge shows up and sees your post. Good luck!
     
  5. RadioactiveMindz

    RadioactiveMindz

    5
    Apr 14, 2018
    Stamped on the Habaki is:
    亅太本山
    Which roughly translates to:
    Kota Motoyama
    Unless I’m horribly wrong.
    Anyone have thoughts?
    There’s another engraving on the other side of the Habaki it’s like a Sun inside of a trapezoid with another trapezoid under it with what looks like two other Japanese? Characters.
    Maybe:
    云厂
    Possibly translating to:
    Cloud Factory
    Thoughts?
    Real?
    Fake?
     
  6. RadioactiveMindz

    RadioactiveMindz

    5
    Apr 14, 2018
    Sword is off of Kijiji for anyone concerned why the images are EBay links.
     
  7. lewis costley

    lewis costley

    2
    Oct 2, 2017
    On most traditional katanas the handle is removable, and the maker will put his mark on the tang. There should be a pin that can be popped out with the tool, which is usually under the handle wrap. Hope this helps
     
  8. Rich S

    Rich S

    Sep 23, 2005
    First it is not an NCO sword, they all have metal handles (tsuka). Second the ito (braid) is wrapped incorrectly. Without a lot more info, I suspect (but can't prove) it is a Chinese fake.
    Rich
     
  9. JJHollowman

    JJHollowman

    397
    Jul 16, 2016
    Oh there's "patina"..but that can be faked. Not a lot of dust in those teeny hollows, crevices, and such, because dust can't. Dust takes time. What's it smell like? Does the odor say "age"? Not that that's reliable either. It's just too shiny almost where it shouldn't be, and the appearance it has looks too 'forced" rather than naturally occurring. Idk if that carving is supposed to be the Imperial Rising Sun, or what exactly is going on with that. The whole entire thing just..tries to hard? Am I the only one that gets that vibe from it? Personally, I'd pass, unless the price was just crazy low and no issue for display purposes, but I've messed up before. The tsuka looks like somebody grabbed some light dusty dirt and just rubbed it in, hard- repeatedly. The ray skin nodes? or faux ones? shouldn't be that crushed looking in my honest opinion.
     
  10. Little Bear

    Little Bear

    2
    May 3, 2018
    I learned to cut with a WWII NCO souvenir sword. Very good cutter, through tempered for amazing resilience with off center cuts. Durable for a beginner practicing on shrubberies.
    Aluminum handle, steel sheath, no temper line.
    It did not resemble the pictured sword in the least, from the fittings to the appearance of the blade it was of a different fabrication.
    Could have been another time period during the war, but the design does not lend itself to the rapid production requirements of an active war.
     
  11. Sigp210

    Sigp210 Gold Member Gold Member

    84
    Oct 8, 2004
    It's a Chinese fake. 100% sure.
     
  12. hank_rearden

    hank_rearden

    Jun 7, 2002
    The spring-button release which lowers that "tongue" ahead of the guard from where it hooks the scabbard looks real enough. I saw it in a number of wartime officers' swords. But those officers' swords had different cord wraps, and underneath was real ray skin.
     

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