Yeah, stainless is great but still rusts in my pocket. How bout a high carbon Spydie?

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gratewhitehuntr

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Hey the only knife I have that doesn't rust in my pocket is made with H-1.
So if I gotta oil even stainless then what the hell is the point? :jerkit:

Since Spyderco does such good things with stainless WHY NOT MAKE A HIGH CARBON KNIFE?????????

OR JUST BLADES
Sound the cry for a blade you can't drop or pry cause it will shatter! :eek:
My favorite knife was made by my grandpa from an old truck spring. 5160? maybe
got another made from a file. M-2 ? It's FREAKY SHARP!
Would I poke it in a deers hip joint and pry around at that ligament?? HELL NO :mad:
but can I clean 4 or 5 without sharpening it? sure

Fact is grandpa always thought stainless was for people to lazy to take care of their knives.

If VG10 rusts in my pocket then imagine what blood does.
So I have to wash the knife and oil it anyway.

Its a know fact that even some OLD HC steels outperform the best stainless

I want performance even at the cost of increased maintainance (which I have to do anyway)

Say you feel the same!!! :thumbup:
 
Have tou tried Spyderco's ZDP 189 Stainless knives yet? How about the S30V Manix or Chinook 2 yet? They might just surprise you. JL
 
nope
my spydercos are um... aus 8, H-1, VG10, 8Crl3MoV
seems to me I saw a thread bout how ZDP 189 and S30V were overrated.
Besides, if good ol tool steel is sharper and CHEAP then why use some new fancy stuff?
Think Reduced Cost= knife + money (in my pocket)
 
I like tool steels, High speed steels even better ( M2 is one), and yes, plain old carbon steel. The problem is that not many folders have these steels any more. The ones that do are like Queen steels excellent line of nail nick old style folders in D-2, or Case CV ( chrome vanadium) line.

If you want a more recent, modern type of folder you pretty much have to take stainless, though benchmade does make one in D2 IIRC.

ZDP 189 I assure you isn't overratyed in any way whatsoever. It's that good. S30V can be very spectacular in a knife like the Manix or Chinook. It's what you like, want, and can pay for. As with any hard steel including your tool steel knives don't abuse the knife by treating it like something else. I'd bet your grandfather always knew to use the right tool for the job. That hasn't changed even with modern knives. I just happen to feel you can't go wrong with Spyderco.

Another option you might consider is trying to get one of the Sprint line of Militaries Spyderco made in the pretty rare BG42 steel. It's another can't lose prospect especially as only a run of a little over a thousand were made. Regards, Joe
 
Hold on, you have stainless steel rust in your pocket, and then decide you want high carbon?:confused: :eek:

That makes absolutely no sense. If you've somehow managed to rust stainless(not sure how, with modern stainless you have to try) than why would you want something that rusts if you look at it wrong?

You mentioned that VG-10 rusts in your pocket. If you can't keep VG-10 rust free, than you probably shouldn't have anything but H-1.

How the heck did you rust VG-10? Did you leave it at the beach for a month?:eek:
 
I know the current knife situation, I don't know what has caused it.
Sal, you are supposed to be Mr. Invention.
Lets reinvent the wheel and rediscover good old 52100, M2, 5160, D2, A2
Want to keep it expensive? use M-42 everyone talks about how hard whichever steel is :rolleyes: how bout RC of 68? Use some super exotic tool steel!
As good as the new stainless is then the new tool steel should be super fantastic!

I learned a valuable lesson once.
After gramps died I got one of his knives, it was a Fred Bear folder.
was only 9 and thought it looked like a good throwing knife : (
I've been looking for another on ebay for years. Busted the blade.
I carry two knives so I have one thats REALLY sharp and one thats durable/functional.
Now that I think of it there are lots of carbon steel knives around, but not from Spyderco. means pocket clip, easy open, HOLE, frn handle
 
you can get a blade custom made of any material you want, and stick it in your knife.

Or. . . just start carrying your knives in a sheath where your battery acid sweat cannot touch the steel! :D
 
actually Scott, every day after work when I take my VG10 Civie out of my pocket I wipe a few rust spots off with 0000 steel wool with oil on it. the bug is suffering : (
same with delica in VG10
same with Clipit Rescue in aus 8
same with cara cara in 8crlo3Vwhatever
No I don't live near the beach. No I haven't been in the pool. No I don't wash my pants in lye soap. Any other wise guys out there?
before i go hunting i make sure there is an oil rag in my pocket to oil my hands where they touch the gun, thats right, my hands.

So since I oil my knives then what exactly is the advantage of stainless
Or should I call it " Semi-Rustless" why not go for broke and make it good and hard?

Hey wanna find out if gold is fake? I'll wear it for 10 minutes!
 
HAHA battery acid sweat! I missed that one :rolleyes:

No i don't have a pocket full of salt.
No I don't have a leaky bladder.
No I didn't cut that thing on the guys face in ALIEN.
No I'm not Tom Hanks in the movie Castaway.
No I didn't loose it in the lake and fish it out a year later.
No I don't work in a sonna.
No I didn't leave blood on it.
No I didn't cut a banana and not wipe it off.
No I didn't (insert your smartass remark here)
 
I would like to see spyderco make a nonstainless knife also. I just want to have as many steel options as possible. I like the look of a patina on my carbon blade.
 
Hell yeah. A Sprint run of the fullsize Manix in D2 or M2, coated, with Carbon Fiber would be awesome. I'd love to see Spyderco offer more tool/carbon steel stuff.
 
So what exactly do you do to have your knives rust in your pocket? I don't oil my blades; I wipe them with my shirt, and they've never rusted. Why do you want a knife more prone to rusitng if stainless rusts in your pocket? (Nevermind, I understand it's because you just wipe it off, so a little rust doesn't matter.)
 
GarySoneji said:
So what exactly do you do to have your knives rust in your pocket? I don't oil my blades; I wipe them with my shirt, and they've never rusted. Why do you want a knife more prone to rusitng if stainless rusts in your pocket?
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If he works long hours and sweats on the knife, then rust is not surprising. Some people sweat more than others, as well.
 
I could deal with a Manix and coating would be great!


Sound the cry for an M-2 Manix with a coated blade!!!! HEY SAL!

Only prob is my home state of MI calls anything over 3" a concealed weapon, hence a delica and not an endura
Hate to catch a charge over 1/4"


Of course a M-2 Para Military Black Blade would be great too!
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I too would like a knife in 52100. I don't care about stains on my knives. What I do care about is that they lock (if they fold) and cut. Spyderco knives do that to the hilt. No pun intended! Remember it is stainless not stain free! Yes, Sal is a genius and he should be in the textbooks under said category. My $.02.
 
gratewhitehuntr said:
I want performance even at the cost of increased maintainance (which I have to do anyway)
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You might want to check out Moore Maker's #7100LB Lockback. It's 3 3/4" closed and has a yellow zytel handle but a carbon steel (1095 HC) blade. Kind of a modern/retro thing all in one package. 'Course it's not a Spydie, but then again it's not a perfect world.
 
gratewhitehuntr,
I would say that you are definitely a rare person.
Maybe it's just your chemistry, who knows?

I think that Spyderco is on the right track with S30V and VG-10.
I've never had a problem with them rusting and they perform excellently.

Its a know fact that even some OLD HC steels outperform the best stainless
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I have not experienced this at all.
And when the old HC steels were in their prime there was no such thing as S30V or VG-10.

Fact is grandpa always thought stainless was for people to lazy to take care of their knives.
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Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion...
But the reason we have high performance "stainless" steels around today is because folks were not satisfied with the performance or characteristics of non-stainless steels.
And as an old Soldier who has spent many a rainy day and night in the field, stainless is the way to go.
Besides, these days I tend to wear nicer clothes, and the last thing I want is an oily knife in my pocket!

Allen.
 
This doesn't make sense to me. MacTech had an AUS-8 blade in a saltwater fog chamber for 8 days without any significant or functional rust on it....and it rusts in your pocket? I totally agree with smcfalls13, if you can make Aus-8 rust in your pocket, a carbon steel is likely going to be the last thing you want.
 
I'm thrilled with the idea of a full-hard M2 knife, but I sure wouldn't pick the Manix. Give me something with a thin blade, a high grind and a really thin edge. How about a Centofante? I want something that takes advantage of the steel's properties. If it's not going to be run really hard, then put it in a Manix so everyone can open paint cans and pry off car doors with it, but I won't be interested. I doubt that I'll ever get my wish, due to the great warrantee that Spyderco has and the brittleness of really hard steel. I'd buy one in a flash *without* a warrantee against blade breakage. Can this be done?

Gordon
 
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