Yet another Bear thread - two campers become bear food

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KING SALMON, Alaska - Two people were killed in an apparent bear attack near Kaflia Bay in Katmai National Park on the Alaska Peninsula, Alaska State Troopers said Tuesday.

The bodies were found Monday when a pilot with Andrew Airways arrived to pick up the man and woman and take them to Kodiak, troopers said.

The pilot saw a bear, possibly on top of a body, in the camp and contacted the National Park Service in King Salmon and state troopers in Kodiak.

Park rangers encountered an aggressive bear when they arrived at the campsite and killed it. Investigators then found human remains buried by a bear near the campsite.

The victims, believed to be in their late 30s to early 40s, were from Malibu, Calif. Their identities are being withheld pending notification of relatives.

The remains and the entire campsite were packed out and transported to Kodiak on the Andrew Airways flight.

As the plane was being loaded, another aggressive bear approached and was killed by park rangers and troopers.

The bodies were flown to the state medical examiner’s office for autopsy.
 
This article is frustratingly lacking in vital information. Male bear? Female bear? Mother? Sub-adult? Full adult? Healthy? Sick? Wounded? Black bear or grizzly? Any other animal carcasses around?

Did the rangers have any theories or explanations?

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Silly as it may sound, it was a 45 minute ordeal with an aggressive bear which started my interest in carrying large fixed blade knives (and firearms, and "bear repellent" pepper spray).

--Mike
 
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So what kind of knife would you use against a bear. (I would go with a leatherman Micra and an M1 Tank)

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n2s
 
N2S,

Is that you with that big arse bear? I have seen that pic before. It was emailed to me at work by a buddy in the Yukon.

If so, what did you take him with?
 
At least now I have a REASON to buy one of those Cold Steel Double-Edged Katanas. Or should I go with Bugei? And Sal said the Temperance was designed to ward off animals, incl. bear attacks, lol. How many .45 rounds would it take to kill a bear like that? Remind me to take diapers next time I go to Alaska so I can piss my pants while I defend myself with the katana.

Trent
 
How accurate are the bear pictures? Perhaps it is just perspective, but the bear's nose is the size of the man's head. There are no doubt very large bears, but that one seems a little too large.
 
I think there's a post somewhere about the origins of those pictures. they were originally part of an internet 'urban legend' about a huge bear which ate a couple of persons. Some pictures in that series showed a chomped up human foot and torso.

haha, so that one's a photoshoped pic, I think. apologies if that is really n2s.

however, large grizzlies n Kodiak bears are behemoths, and can reach a height of 10-12 feet when standing. probably weigh 500-800 pounds, I guess? I believe brown n black bears are slightly smaller in stature.
 
Black and brown bears such as found in the continental US are as all ready mentioned, much smaller. The Kodiak's can go well over 1000 pounds (up to 1500-1600 pounds), but the photos represent a bear much larger than life.
 
The article doesn't give the important details. Like:

1.) What caliber weapons did the rangers use to kill the bear?

2.) What did the bears eat of the food, er, people? Did they go right for the rump roast? Or did they go for an ersatz kidney pie?

3.) Which portions did the bears bury? Maybe those portions age better.

4.) Did any of the portions pass completely through the digestive tract? Enquiring minds want to know!
 
If so, what did you take him with?

That wasn't me; I found those photos on an internet site. The bear weigh in at around 1100 pounds. But, that is about the size of the examples where these guys were camping. I have had more then enough fun with deer and black bear; but I draw the line on anything the size of a horse with teeth and claws.

You can read the story on the bear pictures here but it's very graphic (human victim's remains shown)
http://www.greenapple.com/~jorp/amzanim/hackodiak.htm

The press has finally identified the victims of todays attack, and a more appropriate Darwin Award winner is going to be hard to find this year. The Older victim was the author of Among Bears; who knows how many people this nut has sent in harms way with his bogus advice.

You can read the story here:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031007/ap_on_re_us/bear_attack_1

Re. Guns: I wouldn't go anywhere near that patch of forest without at least a 370 Weatherby, and a Freedom Arms .454 casull revolver.

n2s
 
from the Associated press in the Anchorage Daily News

Bear enthusiast, companion fatally mauled in Katmai National Park
Pilot discovers scene of brown bear attack


By Rachel D'Oro
The Associated Press
(Published: October 7, 2003)
(Ron Engstrom / Anchorage Daily News)

A self-taught bear expert who once called Alaska's brown bears harmless party animals was one of two people fatally mauled in a bear attack in Katmai National Park and Preserve - the first known bear killings in the 4.7-million-acre park.

The bodies of Timothy Treadwell, 46, and Amie Huguenard, 37, both of Malibu, Calif., were found near Kaflia Bay on Monday when a pilot with Andrew Airways arrived to pick them up and take them to Kodiak, Alaska State Troopers said. The park is on the Alaska Peninsula.

Treadwell, co-author of "Among Grizzlies: Living With Wild Bears in Alaska," spent more than a dozen summers living alone with Katmai bears, and videotaping them. Information on Huguenard was not immediately available.

The Andrew Airways pilot contacted troopers in Kodiak and the National Park Service in King Salmon after he saw a brown bear, possibly on top of a body, in the camp Monday afternoon.

Park rangers encountered a large, aggressive male brown bear when they arrived at the campsite and killed it. Investigators then found human remains buried by a bear near the campsite, which was in a brushy area with poor visibility.

No weapons were found at the scene, Park Service spokeswoman Jane Tranel said. Firearms are prohibited in that part of the park.

The remains and the entire campsite were packed out Monday and transported to Kodiak on the Andrew Airways flight.

As the plane was being loaded, another aggressive bear approached and was killed by park rangers and troopers. The bear was younger, possibly a 3-year-old, according to Bruce Bartley, a spokesman for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game office in King Salmon.

The bodies were flown to the state medical examiner's office for autopsy.

Dean Andrew, owner of Andrew Airways, said the pilot was too upset to comment. The company had been flying Treadwell out to Katmai for 13 years and Huguenard for the last couple of years. Andrew said Treadwell as an experienced outdoorsman.

"We were all good friends with him," he said. "We haven't had time to deal with it."

Treadwell was known for his brazen confidence around bears. He often got so close he could touch them. He gave them names. Once he was filmed crawling along the ground singing as he approached a sow and two cubs.

Over the years, Park Service officials, biologists and others expressed concern about his safety and the message he was sending out.

"At best he's misguided," Deb Liggett, superintendent at Katmai and Lake Clark national parks, told the Anchorage Daily News in 2001. "At worst he's dangerous. If Timothy models unsafe behavior, that ultimately puts bears and other visitors at risk."

That same year, Treadwell was a guest on the "Late Show with David Letterman," describing Alaska brown bears as mostly harmless "party animals." He said he felt safer living among the bears than running through New York's Central Park.

In his book, Treadwell said he decided to devote himself to saving grizzlies after a drug overdose, followed by several close calls with brown bears in early trips to Alaska. He said those experiences inspired him to give up drugs, study bears and establish a nonprofit bear-appreciation group, called Grizzly People.

"He's got a lot of great wildlife shots that are absolutely not captive," said Curt Grosjean, a Treadwell friend and manager of The Darkroom, a Los Angeles custom photographic laboratory that did work for Treadwell. "Everything that Timothy was shooting was in Alaska and out in the wild. He was getting pretty close to those bears. He knew what he was doing was dangerous."

Grizzly and brown bears are the same species, but brown is used to describe bears in coastal areas and grizzly for bears in the Interior.

Treadwell and Huguenard were videotaping bears at the Kaflia Bay lakes, usually not frequented by visitors, according to Park Service spokesman John Quinley. He said bears are attracted to the area by a late run of salmon passing through lakes.

The site is 60 air miles east of Brooks Camp, the best known and most frequently visited bear-watching site in the park. Although it is reachable only by float plane or boat, as many as 300 people a day visit in July, when scores of bears congregate at the Brooks River as sockeye salmon make their way to spawning grounds.

"July is prime-time for bears there," Quinley said. "It's a worldwide destination."

In the mid-1980s, a brown bear mauled the body of a visitor who drowned, but this week's attacks are the first known bear killings in the park, Quinley said, noting that the worst fears about Treadwell came to pass.

"He demonstrated behavior that was dangerous for him and ultimately dangerous for the bears," he said. "The most tragic thing of all is that two people are dead."

Rangers were unable to return to the site Tuesday because of poor weather, but planned to go out Wednesday if conditions improved, Bartley said.
 
without trying to sound insensitive, I keep getting flashes of that scene in Legends of the Fall where the Brad Pitt character whips out his stag handled bowie and fights a grizzly bear to the death...
 
A couple of years back we had a run of people get mauled by Mountain Lions. Finally a woman was killed and rangers had to go hunt down the Lion.

My favorite quote from one of the residents of Descanso which borders Cuyamaca State Park was to the effect that all these city people don't realize that when you enter the Park you enter the food chain.

I was reminded of this last month, I was hiking with my wife near Virginia Lakes on the Eastern Border of Yosemite. We were trout fishing and had to share our spot with 2 Brown Bears. Share isn't really the right description, they wanted to fish so we wanted to leave.

I don't like to think of myself as food.
 
Definitely the candidate for the Darwin Awards....

There was already some talk on the morning shows today about the Park Service showing negligence by not banning the dude and letting him return after so many previous dumbsh!t stunts. Personally I consider it cleansing of the gene pool. I could almost feel sorry for the girlfriend, but then again she was still dumb enough to place herself in that situation with him. If the dude was such a damn "expert" as was proclaimed he woulda realized the bears were referred to as WILD ANIMALS for a reason.

The dude was known for trying to pet them for crying out loud! The last person up here that tried to pet a bear was an autistic dude in the city zoo that tried to pet "Binky" the Polar Bear. (He thought the bear was talking to him and inviting him in his pen to play) Maybe this guy shoulda been diagnosed with a mental illness earlier. Oh, and he was known for hand feeding the bears also...:rolleyes:

Sorry, but I think the best place to find sympathy for this one would be in the dictionary between "sh!t" and "syphilis"
 
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